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PWG convening on Wednesday.

Petrie attended the recent EoS board meeting, and I believe he met last week with the TJ/SJFA.  Apparently he was "doing the rounds" ahead of the PWG meeting.

With increasing chat at some East Junior clubs about moving to EoS, it will be interesting to see what transpires.

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4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

PWG convening on Wednesday.

Petrie attended the recent EoS board meeting, and I believe he met last week with the TJ/SJFA.  Apparently he was "doing the rounds" ahead of the PWG meeting.

With increasing chat at some East Junior clubs about moving to EoS, it will be interesting to see what transpires.

Best guess.

West Region in.

With Brechin threatened with relegation and Tayside clubs wanting in the LL a changing the boundary becomes more of a focus to resolve the question of the East.

The North/HFL ignored as usual.

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Theres a lot of communication needed to make the pyramid happen, curious to know how it actually works, for example are a lot of things agreed between clubs before these official  meetings take place? Or is the bulk of everything needed to be covered thrashed out at PWG meetings?

Given they take place infrequently that could be part of the problem. Time is already matching on for getting changes in place for next season.

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9 hours ago, Cameron Wilson said:

Theres a lot of communication needed to make the pyramid happen, curious to know how it actually works, for example are a lot of things agreed between clubs before these official  meetings take place? Or is the bulk of everything needed to be covered thrashed out at PWG meetings?

Given they take place infrequently that could be part of the problem. Time is already matching on for getting changes in place for next season.

Given that agreements at PWG are almost unheard of, not sure what the process is and neither do they I expect!

If the main proposal is to allow the West region in next season whilst work continues re East and North, then I suspect there will be unanimous agreement, with the usual caveats re how the play-offs will work, discipline procedures etc. Whether this then goes back to member clubs in the LL, EoS and SoS I don't know, depends on the devil in the detail I suppose.

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OK, the four "suggestions" are;
1. WRJFA in for next season, ERJFA remain out of Pyramid.
2. WRJFA in for next season, ERJFA join at tier 7 and feed into EoS Premier.
3. Same proposal as a year ago, West and East in at tier 6 next season.
4. LL splits into West and East of 12-16 clubs each for 2021-22, WRJFA and SoS feed into West, ERJFA and EoS feed into East.
None of these are considered firm SFA proposals.   NRJFA remain out of Pyramid.  Leagues to discuss with members and feedback at PWG meeting end of January. 
Views also sought about removing HL/LL boundary.
The only one I can see that will be acceptable to LL and EoS is option 1.  I doubt EoS clubs will agree to option 2, LL won't agree to split, and option 3 has already been rejected.


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1. Sensible option

2. Same issue as ERJFA at tier 6 they’re still geographically overlapping the EOS no mater if it’s Tier 6,7 or potentially 8 also where are Tayside going no boundary shift announced?

3. Rejected unanimously last year stupid to think it could pass this time.

4. Could work if you gave a limited waver on licensing to West clubs but the SPFL want two feeders not three getting them to change anything short notice is unlikely so 2022 at the earliest.

Be surprised if they moved the boundary this late into a season so unless Brechin avoid the drop they’re HL next year like Montrose would have been. Also can’t see the LL team they knock out the league taking it on the chin as they were meant to be relegated to the HL and then the goalposts are suddenly shifted relegating a LL team to the EOS or SOS, potential for a legal challenge? There was no move for Montrose when they asked so why would the SPFL do it for Brechin?

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What is happening with the EoS conferences next season?  I assume the format will be basically the same as this season, as the EoS were pretty up-front last year about setting up their premier division and the member clubs knew what they needed to do.  Is that the case, though?

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19 hours ago, San Starko Rover said:

4. Could work if you gave a limited waver on licensing to West clubs but the SPFL want two feeders not three getting them to change anything short notice is unlikely so 2022 at the earliest.

I’m actually coming round to this idea. Move the SoS league to tier 7 with an option for any current clubs to move straight into the West section at tier 6 (which I don’t think there will be much rush for) and have the SoS winners playoff with the lowest promotion placed tier 7 west club (if they choose) to play in the tier 6 west league

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2 minutes ago, sdr71 said:

What is happening with the EoS conferences next season?  I assume the format will be basically the same as this season, as the EoS were pretty up-front last year about setting up their premier division and the member clubs knew what they needed to do.  Is that the case, though?

They never set anything in stone. I imagine what happens with the PWG and number of applications received at the end of March will decide things. Sometime in April there will probably a rough idea.

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2 minutes ago, Spyro said:

I’m actually coming round to this idea. Move the SoS league to tier 7 with an option for any current clubs to move straight into the West section at tier 6 (which I don’t think there will be much rush for) and have the SoS winners playoff with the lowest promotion placed tier 7 west club (if they choose) to play in the tier 6 west league

While I liked Option 4 on the face of it, I turned against it as it kind of ruins the 2020-21. No relegation from the Lowland League. The West Premiership and EoS Premier would likely see no relegation either as both leagues would lose more than 4 members for the new LL West and LL East divisions.

Then this has the knock on effect for all leagues in the West Region and EoSFL. These leagues would potentially be left deciding division structures in the middle of May as until the SPFL play-off is nearly decided you won't know the exact distribution of clubs to each geographic area. 

It's a bit messier. Just getting the West Region in for 2020-21 and getting junior clubs licensed could lead to a 3 way split at Tier 5 in a more organised way within a few years.

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What is happening with the EoS conferences next season?  I assume the format will be basically the same as this season, as the EoS were pretty up-front last year about setting up their premier division and the member clubs knew what they needed to do.  Is that the case, though?
No decision as yet, hopefully a Premier-First-Second set-up.

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20 hours ago, San Starko Rover said:

1. Sensible option

2. Same issue as ERJFA at tier 6 they’re still geographically overlapping the EOS no mater if it’s Tier 6,7 or potentially 8 also where are Tayside going no boundary shift announced?

3. Rejected unanimously last year stupid to think it could pass this time.

4. Could work if you gave a limited waver on licensing to West clubs but the SPFL want two feeders not three getting them to change anything short notice is unlikely so 2022 at the earliest.

Be surprised if they moved the boundary this late into a season so unless Brechin avoid the drop they’re HL next year like Montrose would have been. Also can’t see the LL team they knock out the league taking it on the chin as they were meant to be relegated to the HL and then the goalposts are suddenly shifted relegating a LL team to the EOS or SOS, potential for a legal challenge? There was no move for Montrose when they asked so why would the SPFL do it for Brechin?

Brechin should suck it up and sign a team from the NE/Dundee area. Currently only 2 players meet that criteria (Inglis & McCord).  It's not as if trawling Fife & Central belt is doing them much good anyway...

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On 26/10/2018 at 17:25, locheeboy said:

Burnieman despite what you have said for months now the Juniors are in at Tier 6 and I'm more than  confident should my club get into a position  whereby we win a playoff we will be going into  the LL...

Ah memories.

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2 minutes ago, Jason King said:

Ah memories.

🤣 Well by coincidence, the ERJFA had a meeting last night and I understand the clubs were told "we have a good chance of tier 6 next season",   more nonsense to try and stop clubs leaving.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.............

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56 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

Brechin should suck it up and sign a team from the NE/Dundee area. Currently only 2 players meet that criteria (Inglis & McCord).  It's not as if trawling Fife & Central belt is doing them much good anyway...

It's an argument i've also found a little weird when it comes to the Angus clubs. It's true of Peterhead or Elgin City if they were to be relegated from the SPFL. I remember the story about Greg Fleming and Willie Gibson playing for Peterhead while living in Annan & Dumfries respectively. Fleming's still there. That wouldn't be the situation if they were back in the Highland League.

Prior to joining the SFL both clubs were able to put together teams capable of winning the Highland League. I'm sure they would be able to do it again without their Central Belt players. Same would be true of the Angus clubs. They might even have something of an advantage by being able to tap into a different talent pool that all the other Highland League clubs are looking at.

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Well by coincidence, the ERJFA had a meeting last night and I understand the clubs were told "we have a good chance of tier 6 next season",   more nonsense to try and stop clubs leaving.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.............
The chance is realisticly somewhere between Hee and Haw.

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What happens at the end of this season in terms of promotion from the EOS Premier? Is there automatic promotion for the winners? Will there only be one club promoted?

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13 minutes ago, energyzone said:

What happens at the end of this season in terms of promotion from the EOS Premier? Is there automatic promotion for the winners? Will there only be one club promoted?

 

1) licensed EoS Premier champion vs. Licensed SoSFL champion compete in a playoff for promotion.

2) Only one licensed champion automatically promoted.

3) No licensed champion = no promotion

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1) licensed EoS Premier champion vs. Licensed SoSFL champion compete in a playoff for promotion.

2) Only one licensed champion automatically promoted.

3) No licensed champion = no promotion

 

Thank you - I realise people are probably sick of answering that question!

 

Surprised at the lack of promotion spots though, hopefully that will increase as time goes on.

 

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