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I understand a MOU exists between the teams. Separate committees but common aims under the one club name. I think MOU covers what happens if junior association enters the pyramid, similar to Stirling Uni model.


I think it’s different. Stirling uni players can move between sides without issue, however Bo’ness/Linlithgow sides would need to transfer players between the different registered sides.

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53 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

 


I think it’s different. Stirling uni players can move between sides without issue, however Bo’ness/Linlithgow sides would need to transfer players between the different registered sides.

That is currently the case but that depends on how they are seen once they come in whether they are one and the same or seperate clubs with similar names. in boness and sauchies case playing in the same ground.

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Take this with a pinch of salt but was chatting to someone heavily involved with Rangers youths and apparently Rangers and Celtic are currently in the process of canvassing support to set up a West of Scotland League at tier 6 for their colts to play in. Been talking with some Junior sides and Caledonian Amateur League teams. 

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Take this with a pinch of salt but was chatting to someone heavily involved with Rangers youths and apparently Rangers and Celtic are currently in the process of canvassing support to set up a West of Scotland League at tier 6 for their colts to play in. Been talking with some Junior sides and Caledonian Amateur League teams. 
This would require a change in rules by the PWG as currently reserve teams are unable to play higher than tier 6. The other effect is it'd open up youth teams being added to the EOS however the only clubs who've made noise about colts in the leagues are west based. Those clubs being the OF & formerly Motherwell who have backed down from the idea since Craigan left. Inverness up north were rumoured to be flirting with adding colts to the Highland League but I'm unsure how serious they were about it.

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1 minute ago, GNU_Linux said:

This would require a change in rules by the PWG as currently reserve teams are unable to play higher than tier 6

This would be at tier 6

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This would be at tier 6
I ken but that but the gruesome twosome would have SPFL aspirations for their colts hence why I suspect they'd lobby for the change. If the stuff posted is true I can't say I'm suprised they are going down this route as the SPFL members have shot down their multiple attempts at shoehorning in colts at the national level.

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1 hour ago, edinabear said:

Take this with a pinch of salt but was chatting to someone heavily involved with Rangers youths and apparently Rangers and Celtic are currently in the process of canvassing support to set up a West of Scotland League at tier 6 for their colts to play in. Been talking with some Junior sides and Caledonian Amateur League teams. 

Rangers and Celtic talking to Amateur teams? aye right  🤣

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20 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Rangers and Celtic talking to Amateur teams? aye right  🤣

Well who knows but I would imagine the likes of Glasgow Uni and Strathclyde Uni would want to be involved in a West feeder league however that materialises.

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Well who knows but I would imagine the likes of Glasgow Uni and Strathclyde Uni would want to be involved in a West feeder league however that materialises.
There's zero evidence of that.

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12 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:
13 hours ago, edinabear said:
Well who knows but I would imagine the likes of Glasgow Uni and Strathclyde Uni would want to be involved in a West feeder league however that materialises.

There's zero evidence of that.

As I said I'm a bit doubtful myself but if the Juniors don't want to be part of a West feeder then what clubs then fill the void? So there is a bit of logic on that basis

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24 minutes ago, edinabear said:

As I said I'm a bit doubtful myself but if the Juniors don't want to be part of a West feeder then what clubs then fill the void? So there is a bit of logic on that basis

It wouldn't necessarily surprise me that the colts in the pyramid plan for the OF has fallen to creating a Tier 6 WoSFL. The concept largely originated from BSC Glasgow's email regarding interest 2 years ago and that was meant to be a way for them to enter a reserve side. They've now got a more robust Lowland U20s and SPFL Reserve League teams that fill that need.

I just don't see the LL changing their rule regarding access to a 2nd team already in the Professional Game Board leagues. So I don't see it coming of anything.

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On one level if Stirling University, Stranraer and Annan can have tier 6 teams last season, it's not obvious why the Old Firm shouldn't have them as well, until you consider the question of why they would want to be in a WoS league rather than the SPFL reserve league, which they are not currently participating in. Rangers don't seem to have been impressed with that setup and colt teams definitely seem to be the preferred way to go:

https://www.rangersnews.uk/news/rangers-pull-development-squad-out-of-spfl-reserve-league/

so Edinabear's info fits what is currently happening in many ways. If into leaks out of next month's PWG meeting the way it normally does, we should soon know more about what's happening.

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Interesting and I’m not sure it’s as ridiculous as it sounds, Colts can play at Tier 6 so the OF could be playing the long game here. At the moment they are battering themselves off a brick wall as the SPFL clubs say no to colt teams with the fans in particular united against them (see the League 2 forum thread). Would Junior and Amateur fans be as opposed never having played in the same system there could be a lot of fans or even board members who have “a big club” or just be less hostile to all things OF this potentially adds more weight behind Celtic and Ranges in club numbers, they can also try to persuade clubs at Tier 6 of the benefits they claim and some of these clubs will eventually replace the current SPFL teams at Tiers 3 and 4 suddenly it’s not a handful of clubs for it it’s nearly half.

 

Would take time but it could be the only way they see the SPFL not blocking it as the current SPFL fans are not buckling. They could use LL as a stepping stone once enough clubs from the former Juniors replace the old EOS allowing a rule change to colts at Tier 5

 

 

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...and I for one welcome our new Tenants Super drinking overlords. Maybe worth bearing in mind that Inverness Caledonian Thistle were also pushing for a colts team in the Highland League recently:

https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/sport/highland-league-not-closed-to-colts-team-178630/

 

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On 18/10/2019 at 15:00, Burnie_man said:

Wednesday 11th December for next PWG meeting.

Wonder if the performances of the non league sides in the Scottish Cup will sharpen up thinking on the shape, pace and direction of the future pyramid?
Does it highlight dangers for SFL2 sides of being overtaken?
Does it highlight to West junior sides the dangers of continually missing the boat?
Does it have zero effect at all and we continue with piecemeal developments and a bottleneck between the levels?

Whaddya think?

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19 minutes ago, PastyMan said:

Wonder if the performances of the non league sides in the Scottish Cup will sharpen up thinking on the shape, pace and direction of the future pyramid?
Does it highlight dangers for SFL2 sides of being overtaken?
Does it highlight to West junior sides the dangers of continually missing the boat?
Does it have zero effect at all and we continue with piecemeal developments and a bottleneck between the levels?

Whaddya think?

It'll make some West clubs more interested.

Some more SPFL clubs more wary. While those beneath saw it as a reason to open things up more. I saw a few people point out the lack of seats and the usual infrastructure notes. So seeing seating became part of licensing will probably become a more prominent call.

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24 minutes ago, PastyMan said:

Wonder if the performances of the non league sides in the Scottish Cup will sharpen up thinking on the shape, pace and direction of the future pyramid?
Does it highlight dangers for SFL2 sides of being overtaken?
Does it highlight to West junior sides the dangers of continually missing the boat?
Does it have zero effect at all and we continue with piecemeal developments and a bottleneck between the levels?

Whaddya think?

The answer is – not a scooby!

The performances of Broxburn, Penicuik and Linlithgow must help the EoS to maintain that they should be the only senior league in the East, and I’m lead to believe that the ERJFA have been told by the SFA to come up with a solution acceptable to PWG, which in reality can only by either fit in under EoS, or some sort of merger.

The West as we know is an open goal.  If at this meeting there’s no progress then IMO there must be moves made to form a new WoS to allow ambitious clubs to progress, who must be looking on chomping at the bit.

But who knows. There certainly isn’t any urgency being shown.

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4 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

It'll make some West clubs more interested.

Some more SPFL clubs more wary. While those beneath saw it as a reason to open things up more. I saw a few people point out the lack of seats and the usual infrastructure notes. So seeing seating became part of licensing will probably become a more prominent call.

The 2020 Licence criteria has been issued, with hardly any changes to Entry, apart from a note to say from 2021 floodlights need to be 200lux.

Given they have given notice of the lux requirement, perhaps it will be 2022 at the earliest before they bring in a seating requirement, giving clubs time to meet floodlighting.

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4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

The 2020 Licence criteria has been issued, with hardly any changes to Entry, apart from a note to say from 2021 floodlights need to be 200lux.

Given they have given notice of the lux requirement, perhaps it will be 2022 at the earliest before they bring in a seating requirement, giving clubs time to meet floodlighting.

I know 2020 will already be settled. I'm thinking more of 2021 and beyond. 

Having spent years with people saying the licensing was being set low to keep existing members in, that doesn't appear to be the case anymore.

Everyone got the same summer 2020 deadline for floodlights and not the initially rumoured 2-3 years. That's potentially going to rule out the odd long standing member.

Seating seems the next button to push for raising standards as you know. Something not impossible or unexpected but certainly costly.

 

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