Burnie_man Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 46 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: That probably all depends on LL2 happening, because it won't happen if the SoS league is still at tier 6. Yip, good point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Cameron Wilson said: It is desirable to require all teams in tier 5 to be licensed, but is that actually really necessary? Yes. Clubs like Clyde, Cowdenbeath, Berwick Rangers and Queen's Park aren't going to accept the possibility of relegation into a league in which they could be sent to a ground without a single seat or any provision for disabled supporters. They accepted the introduction of the relegation play-off on the basis that they would fall into a league with adequate facilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Wilson Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, GordonS said: Yes. Clubs like Clyde, Cowdenbeath, Berwick Rangers and Queen's Park aren't going to accept the possibility of relegation into a league in which they could be sent to a ground without a single seat or any provision for disabled supporters. They accepted the introduction of the relegation play-off on the basis that they would fall into a league with adequate facilities. Good point and well made. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 hours ago, GordonS said: Yes. Clubs like Clyde, Cowdenbeath, Berwick Rangers and Queen's Park aren't going to accept the possibility of relegation into a league in which they could be sent to a ground without a single seat or any provision for disabled supporters. They accepted the introduction of the relegation play-off on the basis that they would fall into a league with adequate facilities. Do any of those teams actually own the stadiums they play in? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 hours ago, GordonS said: Yes. Clubs like Clyde, Cowdenbeath, Berwick Rangers and Queen's Park aren't going to accept the possibility of relegation into a league in which they could be sent to a ground without a single seat or any provision for disabled supporters. They accepted the introduction of the relegation play-off on the basis that they would fall into a league with adequate facilities. Is seating a necessity in the LL ? I thought it was just a covered enclosure to fit a certain amount of fans in for licensing purposes at tier 5 ? Otherwise Vale of Leithen have been getting away wi it for years 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Is seating a necessity in the LL ? I thought it was just a covered enclosure to fit a certain amount of fans in for licensing purposes at tier 5 ? Otherwise Vale of Leithen have been getting away wi it for years Just having a license is good enough, so seating isn't a requirement. Although its something that you could see introduce in a few years during a licensing review, just like floodlights being added this year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black & Red Socks Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Over on the 'Junior football, what is the future?' thread, Burnie-man has floated the following suggestions(s) for an EoSFL set-up should the ERSJFA join them in it's entirety in the form of a merger or whether just those ERSJFA clubs eligible to play in the Lowland area were to join as new applicants. Both suggestions seem like a very good fit to me and have the potential to solve the current impasse/confusion being generated by the intransigence of the SJFA and their ill-conceived insistence that the ERSJFA be a standalone part of the Pyramid in the east. Now, is there anyone in officialdom able to take ownership of this or similar, have their peers coalesce around the concept and go out and make it happen? It really needs to. 17 hours ago, Burnie_man said: Not sure if this will work or not (not too techy), but I've pulled together an idea of how a future EoS could look with Tayside clubs involved, and without. I've added in names but don't get too hung up on where they have been placed, for illustrative purposes only as they say! Without Tayside, you'd have a strong 16 team Premier and Championship, with two regional leagues split Lothians, Storlingshire and Fife, then Edinburgh and Borders. With Tayside, Still a 16 team Premier, but two strong regional Championships with Fife joining in with Tayside, and further divisions below that. Probably other ways of doing it as well, but something to chew over. NON TAYSIDE.docx TAYSIDE.docx Edited January 25, 2019 by Black & Red Socks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Over on the 'Junior football, what is the future?' thread, Burnie-man has floated the following suggestions(s) for an EoSFL set-up should the ERSJFA join them in it's entirety in the form of a merger or whether just those ERSJFA clubs eligible to play in the Lowland area were to join as new applicants. Both suggestions seem like a very good fit to me and have the potential to solve the current impasse/confusion being generated by the intransigence of the SJFA and their ill-conceived insistence that the ERSJFA be a standalone part of the Pyramid in the east. Now, is there anyone in officialdom able to take ownership of this or similar, have their peers coalesce around the concept and go out and make it happen? It really needs to.I see what he's trying to do, but if the suggestion is to start with that set up from next session, effectively bringing teams from the ERJFA in and placing them above teams currently in the EoS league and relegating current EoS teams 2 levels instead of the 1 they are all expecting, then it's a complete non starter.If all we are talking about is a structure, where all teams below the premier play in conferences for another season next year to sort out who goes where, then it could work. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black & Red Socks Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, gaz5 said: If all we are talking about is a structure, where all teams below the premier play in conferences for another season next year to sort out who goes where, then it could work. Yes, I can see the merit in this too. Much as it would be great to go straight to the suggested format, Conferences next season - much like this season - to achieve placings in a 16 team Premier (which will already be established for next season thanks to the conference format this season) and 16 team Championship structure with regional leagues below for season 2020/21 is a fair suggestion. As I said, someone in either the SFA, EoSFL or ERSJFA hierarchy needs to take ownership of such a worthwhile proposition and go out and try to make it happen. Edited January 25, 2019 by Black & Red Socks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I see what he's trying to do, but if the suggestion is to start with that set up from next session, effectively bringing teams from the ERJFA in and placing them above teams currently in the EoS league and relegating current EoS teams 2 levels instead of the 1 they are all expecting, then it's a complete non starter.If all we are talking about is a structure, where all teams below the premier play in conferences for another season next year to sort out who goes where, then it could work.Burnie did say in a later post placement of clubs were merely placeholder for demonstrative purposes and not suggesting some clubs should be higher up desite not being in the EOS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, gaz5 said: I see what he's trying to do, but if the suggestion is to start with that set up from next session, effectively bringing teams from the ERJFA in and placing them above teams currently in the EoS league and relegating current EoS teams 2 levels instead of the 1 they are all expecting, then it's a complete non starter. If all we are talking about is a structure, where all teams below the premier play in conferences for another season next year to sort out who goes where, then it could work. It's not what I am suggesting, it's what I think the leagues could look like 2020-2021 and going forward. How we actually get there has umpteen possibilities, inc the ERJFA remaining separate for next season and then integration based on next seasons finishing positions. Conferences is another way to do it if it happened in time for next season. No current EoS club should find itself lower down the pecking order next season due to new clubs joining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Glenconner said: Do any of those teams actually own the stadiums they play in? Does that matter? AFAIK Shielfield is owned by the supporters trust and Cowdenbeath own Central Park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Central Park is owned by the Brewster family and rented to Cowdenbeath. That was part of the issue toward the end of last season when the club was complaining about the cost if the lease. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 47 minutes ago, GordonS said: Does that matter? AFAIK Shielfield is owned by the supporters trust and Cowdenbeath own Central Park. Clyde don’t own Broadwood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 14 hours ago, GordonS said: Yes. Clubs like Clyde, Cowdenbeath, Berwick Rangers and Queen's Park aren't going to accept the possibility of relegation into a league in which they could be sent to a ground without a single seat or any provision for disabled supporters. They accepted the introduction of the relegation play-off on the basis that they would fall into a league with adequate facilities. Basically nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corner Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Glenconner said: Basically nonsense. Not sure what your point is, but the answer may be "San Siro" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, corner said: Not sure what your point is, but the answer may be "San Siro" You could try keeping up with the thread, bro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corner Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Glenconner said: You could try keeping up with the thread, bro. Sorry, you asked about ownership, and now we're onto facilities , so I genuinely don't get what your "basically nonsense" post is about. Bro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Glenconner said: Do any of those teams actually own the stadiums they play in? What relevance is that to the thread? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 14 hours ago, GordonS said: Yes. Clubs like Clyde, Cowdenbeath, Berwick Rangers and Queen's Park aren't going to accept the possibility of relegation into a league in which they could be sent to a ground without a single seat or any provision for disabled supporters. They accepted the introduction of the relegation play-off on the basis that they would fall into a league with adequate facilities. Corner doesn’t see any problem with this post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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