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breadalbane,s application to join the juniors never reached the ERJFA agm simply because the junior officials led by john reilly decided it was geographically unsuitable for their own clubs and quite simply nit picked to block the application. breadalbane since commissioned a health and safety report and have had visits from the sfa licencing officer cammy watt, both upholding the application as valid. breadalbane are gearing up again, new perimeter fencing has been installed, pitch has had a 11,000 upgrade and in the spring new dugouts and socketed goalposts will be in place and along with our portable stands we will be in a position to apply for an entry licence. before anybody asks we have floodlights as well as our own training area. if we reapply under this come and join us advert any bets on the outcome?

A great example of why a Tayside Senior League as part of the HL Pyramid needs to happen, an ambitious club being let down by Junior officials. Good luck.

 

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25 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

That's not a bad looking Tayside Senior League, you might find Scone and Kinnoull would want to remain in that.  The boundary should really follow the line of the Tay and skirt south of Perth.

I read somewhere that it would take another two clubs to "apply" to the Highland League in order for it to split into HL1 and HL2, running with 10 clubs in each division.  Over time both divisions could expand to swallow up the better Tayside clubs, and the likes of Banks O'Dee, Montrose Roselea, Culter etc.

The magic number for the Highland League to split I usually see is 21. How they'd manage a 20 team league I don't know though :unsure2:

Stick the North of Tay East Region as a 16 team league at Tier 6 under the Highland League. Do the same for the North Region Super League and North Caledonian League. Licenced Champions can play-off for a promotion spot just like in the Lowland League. Eventually you'll get enough clubs licenced to form a Highland League 2.

The 20 South of Tay East Region clubs join up with everyone that doesn't make EoS Premier in Tier 7 EoS Conferences to form up proper divisions for 2020/21.

The North and East will then sort themselves out within a few years in a fairly natural way. It's just a case then of dealing with West Region and SoS integration.

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The magic number for the Highland League to split I usually see is 21. How they'd manage a 20 team league I don't know though :unsure2:
Stick the North of Tay East Region as a 16 team league at Tier 6 under the Highland League. Do the same for the North Region Super League and North Caledonian League. Licenced Champions can play-off for a promotion spot just like in the Lowland League. Eventually you'll get enough clubs licenced to form a Highland League 2.
The 20 South of Tay East Region clubs join up with everyone that doesn't make EoS Premier in Tier 7 EoS Conferences to form up proper divisions for 2020/21.
The North and East will then sort themselves out within a few years in a fairly natural way. It's just a case then of dealing with West Region and SoS integration.
I saw that they would go to two divisions of 10. That might just be opinion rather than fact.

It'll be interesting if nothing much changes next season, if Bredalbane apply for a Licence and pass, do the HL have to let them in?
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5 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

Why should the SoS have to do anything?

Up until last summer they had more clubs than the EoS!

The SoS don't have to do anything. I'm thinking more of the creation of Lowland League 2, Lowland League West or WoSFL type divisions that would probably require licensing for entry pushing the SoS further down the Tiers.

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breadalbane,s application to join the juniors never reached the ERJFA agm simply because the junior officials led by john reilly decided it was geographically unsuitable for their own clubs and quite simply nit picked to block the application. breadalbane since commissioned a health and safety report and have had visits from the sfa licencing officer cammy watt, both upholding the application as valid. breadalbane are gearing up again, new perimeter fencing has been installed, pitch has had a 11,000 upgrade and in the spring new dugouts and socketed goalposts will be in place and along with our portable stands we will be in a position to apply for an entry licence. before anybody asks we have floodlights as well as our own training area. if we reapply under this come and join us advert any bets on the outcome?
Best of luck, would love an away trip to Aberfeldy.
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21 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

I saw that they would go to two divisions of 10. That might just be opinion rather than fact.

It'll be interesting if nothing much changes next season, if Bredalbane apply for a Licence and pass, do the HL have to let them in?

Looking for quotes it's a bit of mess due to other plans that have popped up over the years. Would they go to 19 if SPFL42 was relegated with LL champions being promoted. Then early in the pyramid years Keith's chairman put forward a plan to split into 2x leagues of 10 which was something that was voted on but rejected.

From what i can tell they dealt with the issue at an AGM a couple of years and set splitting into divisions if they increased beyond 20. I think if/when the ever get to 19 they'll be more proactive about the matter.

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1 hour ago, humphrey said:

breadalbane,s application to join the juniors never reached the ERJFA agm simply because the junior officials led by john reilly decided it was geographically unsuitable for their own clubs and quite simply nit picked to block the application. breadalbane since commissioned a health and safety report and have had visits from the sfa licencing officer cammy watt, both upholding the application as valid. breadalbane are gearing up again, new perimeter fencing has been installed, pitch has had a 11,000 upgrade and in the spring new dugouts and socketed goalposts will be in place and along with our portable stands we will be in a position to apply for an entry licence. before anybody asks we have floodlights as well as our own training area. if we reapply under this come and join us advert any bets on the outcome?

This sounds fantastic.

What organisation do you intend on applying too ?

I agree with other comments that applying to the HL would most certainly set the cat amongst the pigeons.

Particularly if you meet their criteria.

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58 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

It'd be an interesting one SFA licensing wise as you fall into the Highland League area.

breadalbane=aberfeldy=Perthshire=Tayside=erjfa/Tayside senior league=commonsense.  contrary to opinion aberfeldy is nowhere near anybody in the HL, map wise it sits south of the tay as does luncarty and is no more than an hour from Dundee.

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^^^the "south of the Tay" thing refers to a line of latitude from the centre of the Tay road bridge so you are definitely in the HL catchment.

1 hour ago, Burnie_man said:

...if Bredalbane apply for a Licence and pass, do the HL have to let them in?

It would remove the excuse that no club is currently making an application to get in, so nothing needs to change. Think it will probably take a club from the North region juniors or North Caledonian league to start pushing the issue to make it happen and right now Banks O'Dee and Golspie Sutherland seem content enough where they are.

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14 minutes ago, humphrey said:

breadalbane=aberfeldy=Perthshire=Tayside=erjfa/Tayside senior league=commonsense.  contrary to opinion aberfeldy is nowhere near anybody in the HL, map wise it sits south of the tay as does luncarty and is no more than an hour from Dundee.

The boundary between the Highland League and Lowland League is a straight line of latitude 56.4513N which crosses the Tay Bridge.

Aberfeldy is North of that latitude and right now there isn't a Tayside senior league to put in an application. The likes of Auchinleck Talbot and Kelty Hearts were told to join a senior pyramid league to get licensed. So will the SFA tell Breadalbane to apply to the Highland League in order to get licensed.

That's why it's interesting because it deals with many issues that people would like to see formally resolved heading into next season.

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2 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

That's not a bad looking Tayside Senior League, you might find Scone and Kinnoull would want to remain in that.  The boundary should really follow the line of the Tay and skirt south of Perth.

I read somewhere that it would take another two clubs to "apply" to the Highland League in order for it to split into HL1 and HL2, running with 10 clubs in each division.  Over time both divisions could expand to swallow up the better Tayside clubs, and the likes of Banks O'Dee, Montrose Roselea, Culter etc.

Where would it go in the west once the River Tay stopped?

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16 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
Where would it go in the west once the River Tay stopped?

The boundary could go along county boundaries so Perth & Kinross and Argyll & Bute would fall into HL territory. Strathclyde and Stirlingshire LL territory, or something like that to try and prevent clubs in the same county being split apart eg Luncarty and Scone.

EDIT: Highland, Moray, Aberdeenshire, Perth & Kinross, Dundee and Angus in HL territory, everywhere else LL territory.

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1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:

The boundary between the Highland League and Lowland League is a straight line of latitude 56.4513N which crosses the Tay Bridge.

Aberfeldy is North of that latitude and right now there isn't a Tayside senior league to put in an application. The likes of Auchinleck Talbot and Kelty Hearts were told to join a senior pyramid league to get licensed. So will the SFA tell Breadalbane to apply to the Highland League in order to get licensed.

That's why it's interesting because it deals with many issues that people would like to see formally resolved heading into next season.

 

1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:

The boundary between the Highland League and Lowland League is a straight line of latitude 56.4513N which crosses the Tay Bridge.

Aberfeldy is North of that latitude and right now there isn't a Tayside senior league to put in an application. The likes of Auchinleck Talbot and Kelty Hearts were told to join a senior pyramid league to get licensed. So will the SFA tell Breadalbane to apply to the Highland League in order to get licensed.

That's why it's interesting because it deals with many issues that people would like to see formally resolved heading into next season.

the trouble on here is a lot of posts on here are determined to push Tayside teams into the highland catchment area when its obviously completely impractical. luncarty took 2and3/4 hours on a bus to reach elgin for an sjfa cup tie.  breadalbanes nearest game would be in inverness 123 miles to the north whereas they are within easy reach of perth/Dundee or fife for that matter.

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11 minutes ago, humphrey said:

 

the trouble on here is a lot of posts on here are determined to push Tayside teams into the highland catchment area when its obviously completely impractical. luncarty took 2and3/4 hours on a bus to reach elgin for an sjfa cup tie.  breadalbanes nearest game would be in inverness 123 miles to the north whereas they are within easy reach of perth/Dundee or fife for that matter.

The dividing line is already in place, it's been there since the Lowland League was introduced in 2013.

Therefore, if Tayside (and some Perthshire) clubs want to enter the Pyramid structure and access SFA Licencing, then as it stands, they need to enter a Senior league that sits within the Highland League area.  Currently there isn't one apart from the Highland League itself, hence why a Tayside Senior League has been mooted as a solution if the remaining East Region Junior clubs want to enter the Pyramid, with the Lothians and Fife clubs joining the existing East of Scotland League.

A line has to be drawn somewhere. A Tayside Senior League would ultimately feed into the Highland League.

Of course, Breadalbane can apply again to join the ERJFA meantime, and wait on further developments with regards to the Pyramid and therefore Licencing.

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1 hour ago, humphrey said:

 

the trouble on here is a lot of posts on here are determined to push Tayside teams into the highland catchment area when its obviously completely impractical. luncarty took 2and3/4 hours on a bus to reach elgin for an sjfa cup tie.  breadalbanes nearest game would be in inverness 123 miles to the north whereas they are within easy reach of perth/Dundee or fife for that matter.

Probably the two main reasons it happens.

1) Simple enforcement of the HL/LL boundary as it stands. The SFA, SPFL, HFL and LL worked with a blank slate and intentionally drew the line as the mid point of the Tay Bridge making it clear that Dundee would fall into the Highland League area. Even when Montrose speculated relegation to the Highland League could be the death of the club nobody batted an eye and the boundary has remained.

2) There isn't a ton of depth in the North Region and NCL to improve the present standard of the Highland League. Its a small sample size but look at Montrose Roselea. They've gone from bouncing between East Premier/District level and are now firmly in the North Super League. Clubs that have a greater track record in the East Region like Lochee United, Broughty Athletic and Carnoustie Panmure should hopefully replicate or improve upon the performance of Montrose Roselea.

A line's got to be drawn somewhere and regionalisation down pyramid tiers will prevent extreme journeys as much as possible.

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5 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Probably the two main reasons it happens.

1) Simple enforcement of the HL/LL boundary as it stands. The SFA, SPFL, HFL and LL worked with a blank slate and intentionally drew the line as the mid point of the Tay Bridge making it clear that Dundee would fall into the Highland League area. Even when Montrose speculated relegation to the Highland League could be the death of the club nobody batted an eye and the boundary has remained.

2) There isn't a ton of depth in the North Region and NCL to improve the present standard of the Highland League. Its a small sample size but look at Montrose Roselea. They've gone from bouncing between East Premier/District level and are now firmly in the North Super League. Clubs that have a greater track record in the East Region like Lochee United, Broughty Athletic and Carnoustie Panmure should hopefully replicate or improve upon the performance of Montrose Roselea.

A line's got to be drawn somewhere and regionalisation down pyramid tiers will prevent extreme journeys as much as possible.

please be aware Tayside clubs are not going north, and the highland and north east clubs are not going Tayside. they all know it would be logistical madness to even consider any merger between these two regions. study the map guys and add up the miles, its not rocket science and easy to see why other more sensible options are being considered.

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1 minute ago, humphrey said:

please be aware Tayside clubs are not going north, and the highland and north east clubs are not going Tayside. they all know it would be logistical madness to even consider any merger between these two regions. study the map guys and add up the miles, its not rocket science and easy to see why other more sensible options are being considered.

Interesting, you seem to be piping the tune of someone else who posts here from Dundee.  It's entirely sensible that Tayside goes North, and in fact that is exactly how it is now as has been pointed out. The dividing line says Dundee is HL territory, so is Aberfeldy.

Adding up the miles, Aberfeldy to Inverness, Aberdeen and Peterhead (HL area) is almost the same travel time as Edinburgh, Berwick and Gretna (LL area), so it shouldn't be of great concern if you ever reached that level.   Short term, you join the ERJFA - if they let you in this time - and go wherever they go.  Good luck, and don't believe everything the ERJFA tell you.

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39 minutes ago, humphrey said:

please be aware Tayside clubs are not going north, and the highland and north east clubs are not going Tayside. they all know it would be logistical madness to even consider any merger between these two regions. study the map guys and add up the miles, its not rocket science and easy to see why other more sensible options are being considered.

The majority of Tayside clubs will probably not have to travel much further than the Aberdeen area on league duty. Dundee to Aberdeen and Dundee to Edinburgh there isn't much difference.

It's the bigger clubs that would actually make Tier 5 Highland League that are scared of trips to Brora and Wick but think Gretna and Dalbeattie is fine when looking at the Lowland League.

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