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For 2019/20 I'd like to see...

EoS Premier (16 teams, tier 6)
Bonnyrigg/Whitehill
Bo'ness
Tranent
Dundonald
Crossgates
Penicuik
Hill of Beath
Musselburgh
Newtongrange
Dunbar
Broxburn
Linlithgow
Camelon
Jeanfield
Blackburn
Sauchie

16th and 15th place 'definitely' relegated; 14th place 'probably' relagated in order to maintain 16 teams; 13th place would be 100% safe.

North Conference and South Conference underneath. Both Conference champions would go up and the two runners-up would play-off for the third 'probable' promotion spot (this spot would be unavailable only if two LL teams drop to the EoS Prem and no-one is promoted).  It is also possible that 4 teams (the Conference North and South champions and runners-up) are all promoted in order to maintain 16 teams in the EoS Premier.

North Conference and South Conference would be flexible in terms of numbers and geography. In other words no border line like the Tay Bridge for LL/HL. Because of the geography of the current teams, it would predominently be the Edinburgh teams (LTHV/Tynecastle/Heriot-Watt/Craigroyston/Edinburgh Utd/Leith) who could be moved North or South at start of a new seasons to balance up numbers. Like they do in the English pyramid. Clearly that would mean St Andrews and Stirling Uni EoS would always be North Conferance; Tweedmouth and Eyemouth would always be in the South Conference. 

For 2019/20...

EoS North Conference (12 teams, tier 7)
Oakley
LTHV
Burntisland
Tynecastle
Dunipace
Heriot-Watt
St Andrews
Stirling Uni EoS
Craigroyston
Edinburgh Utd
Inverkeithing
Glenrothes Juniors

EoS South Conference (12 teams, tier 7)
Leith
Coldstream
Easthouses
Arniston
Peebles
Hawick
Tweedmouth
Dalkeith
Haddington
Eyemouth
Preston
Ormiston

Like this year, I'd ensure that each League Cup qualifying group at the start of the season would have one EoS Premier team, one EoS North team, one EoS South team and then one other at random... to avoid playing the same teams too many times.

The King Cup would be dropped by the EoS Premier teams and would be contested only by the 24 Conference North and South clubs (to give the smaller clubs a chance to win something and to reduce fixture congestion for EoS Premier clubs who will already be competing in 4 cups (League Cup, Football Nation EoS Qualifying Cup, South Challenge Cup and Scottish Cup/Alex Jack Cup).

The EoS Premier and LL clubs would enter the Football Nation EoS Qualifying Cup at a later round (because they have more league fixtures and are likely to go further in the cups than the North and South sides).

The South Challenge Cup would remain all in.

Alex Jack Cup (and Scottish Cup) format would be unchanged. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Crossbar said:

For 2019/20 I'd like to see...

EoS Premier (16 teams)
Bonnyrigg/Whitehill
Bo'ness
Tranent
Dundonald
Crossgates
Penicuik
Hill of Beath
Musselburgh
Newtongrange
Dunbar
Broxburn
Linlithgow
Camelon
Jeanfield
Blackburn
Sauchie

16th and 15th place 'definitely' relegated; 14th place 'probably' relagated in order to maintain 16 teams; 13th place would be 100% safe.

North Conference and South Conference underneath. Both Conference champions would go up and the two runners-up would play-off for the third 'probable' promotion spot (this spot would be unavailable only if two LL teams drop to the EoS Prem and no-one is promoted).  It is also possible that 4 teams (the Conference North and South champions and runners-up) are all promoted in order to maintain 16 teams in the EoS Premier.

North Conference and South Conference would be flexible in terms of numbers and geography. In other words no border line like the Tay Bridge for LL/HL. Because of the geography of the current teams, it would predominently be the Edinburgh teams (LTHV/Tynecastle/Heriot-Watt/Craigroyston/Edinburgh Utd/Leith) who could be moved North or South at start of a new seasons to balance up numbers. Like they do in the English pyramid. Clearly that would mean St Andrews and Stirling Uni EoS would always be North Conferance; Tweedmouth and Eyemouth would always be in the South Conference. 

For 2019/20...

EoS North Conference (12 teams)
Oakley
LTHV
Burntisland
Tynecastle
Dunipace
Heriot-Watt
St Andrews
Stirling Uni EoS
Craigroyston
Edinburgh Utd
Inverkeithing
Glenrothes Juniors

EoS South Conference (12 teams)
Leith
Coldstream
Easthouses
Arniston
Peebles
Hawick
Tweedmouth
Dalkeith
Haddington
Eyemouth
Preston
Ormiston

Like this year, I'd ensure that each League Cup qualifying group at the start of the season would have one EoS Premier team, one EoS North team, one EoS South team and then one other at random... to avoid playing the same teams too many times.

The King Cup would be dropped by the EoS Premier teams and would be contested only by the 24 Conference North and South clubs (to give the smaller clubs a chance to win something and to reduce fixture congestion for EoS Premier clubs who will already be competing in 4 cups (League Cup, Football Nation EoS Qualifying Cup, South Challenge Cup and Scottish Cup/Alex Jack Cup).

The EoS Premier and LL clubs would enter the Football Nation EoS Qualifying Cup at a later round (because they have more league fixtures and are likely to go further in the cups than the North and South sides).

The South Challenge Cup would remain all in.

Alex Jack Cup (and Scottish Cup) format would be unchanged. 

 

And then for 2020/21 we might be able to introduce tier 8 underneath  if the ERJFA clubs eventually decide to jump ship or amalgamate.

EoS North Conference Second Division

EoS South Conference Second Division

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3 minutes ago, Crossbar said:

And then for 2020/21 we might be able to introduce tier 8 underneath  if the ERJFA clubs eventually decide to jump ship or amalgamate.

EoS North Conference Second Division

EoS South Conference Second Division

I don't think there's much appetite for endless Conferences.

Next season it looks like 2 seeded Conferences, probably with the aim of forming a First Division underneath the Premier for 20/21.

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Tonight I went to Whitburn v Rosyth. I overheard a conversation about the "defectors". Apparently many of them are unhappy in the EOS. Dundonald and Blackburn want to move back to the ERJFA but they weren't being allowed back in. Sounded very convincing...

 

(I had to restrain myself to not loudly burst out laughing)

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4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

I don't think there's much appetite for endless Conferences.

Next season it looks like 2 seeded Conferences, probably with the aim of forming a First Division underneath the Premier for 20/21.

You could be right. I just think the pyramid should widen as we go down into tier 7. A North and South league would give more teams something to play for in terms of a promotion chase and it would also avoid (just for example) Coldstream ending up in a league which involves lots of trips to Fife and West Lothian but none to the Borders or East Lothian. Or you could have Inverkeithing having lots of trips to the Borders and East Lothian but no opponents in Fife. That should not be an issue at tier 6 because it is a high level but just think tier 7 should be regional (but flexible) with parallel conferences to support the smaller clubs.  What do you think about the King Cup idea? And byes for the tier 6 clubs in the later rounds onf the Football Nation EoS Qualifying Cup? 

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Tonight I went to Whitburn v Rosyth. I overheard a conversation about the "defectors". Apparently many of them are unhappy in the EOS. Dundonald and Blackburn want to move back to the ERJFA but they weren't being allowed back in. Sounded very convincing...
 
I had to restrain myself to not loudly burst out laughing


You had 1 Job...

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9 minutes ago, Marten said:

Tonight I went to Whitburn v Rosyth. I overheard a conversation about the "defectors". Apparently many of them are unhappy in the EOS. Dundonald and Blackburn want to move back to the ERJFA but they weren't being allowed back in. Sounded very convincing...

 

(I had to restrain myself to not loudly burst out laughing)

We want to move back? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

They're a strange lot along the road........

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Just now, Burnie_man said:

We want to move back? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yep, apparently you found out it is not all that great in the seniors and the juniors are much better. :D 

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Just now, Marten said:

Yep, apparently you found out it is not all that great in the seniors and the juniors are much better. :D 

Ah I see, I suppose the EoS Premier looks a bit shit, and the Scottish Cup maybe is tin pot afterall..........dear god :lol:

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14 minutes ago, Crossbar said:

You could be right. I just think the pyramid should widen as we go down into tier 7. A North and South league would give more teams something to play for in terms of a promotion chase and it would also avoid (just for example) Coldstream ending up in a league which involves lots of trips to Fife and West Lothian but none to the Borders or East Lothian. Or you could have Inverkeithing having lots of trips to the Borders and East Lothian but no opponents in Fife. That should not be an issue at tier 6 because it is a high level but just think tier 7 should be regional (but flexible) with parallel conferences to support the smaller clubs.  What do you think about the King Cup idea? And byes for the tier 6 clubs in the later rounds onf the Football Nation EoS Qualifying Cup? 

I believe there will be a proposal at AGM to restrict the King Cup to Conference sides only.

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Seeded conferences below the EoS Prem next season could look like this:

EoS Conference A (12 teams, tier 7)
Leith
Coldstream
Heriot-Watt
Dalkeith
Oakley
Stirling Uni EoS
Tynecastle
Peebles
Edinburgh Utd
Dunipace
Tweedmouth
Ormiston

EoS Conference B (12 teams, tier 7)
Preston
LTHV
Easthouses
St Andrews
Haddington
Arniston
Craigroyston
Burntisland
Hawick
Inverkeithing
Eyemouth
Glenrothes Juniors

Regional (but flexible) conferences below the EoS Prem next season could look like this:

EoS North Conference (12 teams, tier 7)
Oakley
LTHV
Burntisland
Tynecastle
Dunipace
Heriot-Watt
St Andrews
Stirling Uni EoS
Craigroyston
Edinburgh Utd
Inverkeithing
Glenrothes Juniors

EoS South Conference (12 teams, tier 7)
Leith
Coldstream
Easthouses
Arniston
Peebles
Hawick
Tweedmouth
Dalkeith
Haddington
Eyemouth
Preston
Ormiston

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19 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Ah I see, I suppose the EoS Premier looks a bit shit, and the Scottish Cup maybe is tin pot afterall..........dear god :lol:

I found it especially funny that the ERJFA are apparently not letting clubs back in. They obviously would be happy with some more clubs, especially in the south of the region. Yet out of spite they wouldn't allow them? Sure...

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21 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

I believe there will be a proposal at AGM to restrict the King Cup to Conference sides only.

when's the AGM?

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7 hours ago, Marten said:

Tonight I went to Whitburn v Rosyth. I overheard a conversation about the "defectors". Apparently many of them are unhappy in the EOS. Dundonald and Blackburn want to move back to the ERJFA but they weren't being allowed back in. Sounded very convincing...

 

(I had to restrain myself to not loudly burst out laughing)

Hah hah. The juniors' disinformation refuses to die.

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8 hours ago, Crossbar said:

You could be right. I just think the pyramid should widen as we go down into tier 7. 

The pyramid isn't just the EoS (although it looks like it most of the time)

Tier 7 should have at least 3 leagues at that level, but thats across West, East and North.

People were happy to see the West Region brought in as is. That's 4 region wide leagues straight down from what would have been Tier 6-9. 

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8 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

I believe there will be a proposal at AGM to restrict the King Cup to Conference sides only.

I think they'd be better just putting us into league cup 1st round not in qualifying as kings cup doesn't cause much fixture problems as it is at the end of the season 

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9 hours ago, Marten said:

Yep, apparently you found out it is not all that great in the seniors and the juniors are much better. :D 

They are absolutely sailing down the big Egyptian river at central park...........in denial !!!!!

Roasters is a kind word to use for them,I've already had a blazing argument in the bar of the social club with them !!

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3 hours ago, Cameron Wilson said:

Hah hah. The juniors' disinformation refuses to die.

Many of them live in a bubble, incapable of seeing the bigger picture.  Rather than understand why clubs left the East Region, they'd rather label them traitors to the grade.  It's almost cultish.

I thought a few WL clubs would have maybe woken up to the fact that the Juniors in the East are only going one way and moved for next season, but they listened too much to the pish they were getting from the SJFA and ERJFA.   They will only suffer as a result.

 

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5 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

The pyramid isn't just the EoS (although it looks like it most of the time)

Tier 7 should have at least 3 leagues at that level, but thats across West, East and North.

People were happy to see the West Region brought in as is. That's 4 region wide leagues straight down from what would have been Tier 6-9. 

Of course. But we are where are. the LL/EoS is the most advanced area of the pyramid so far. At the moment it only goes down to tier 6 (EoS and SoS).

Next season the EoS conferences under the EoS Prom will be the first tier 7 league.  All I'm proposing is how that bit could work. Hopefully the west will join in soon

 

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