Robert James Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, parsforlife said: This was presumably sent to clubs/leagues before this weeks meeting? With the votes coming back 100% against the proposal from EoS and LL. Given the SFA have acknowledged that leagues should survey clubs then you would expect they need to recognise and act upon the results of those votes? Why ask for votes to ignore any outcome? The SFA believe the disciplinary stuff has been resolved, I doubt everyone would agree with that but it is at least something. Seems farcical to propose a structure and basically ignore the flow of clubs between leagues. And have it as a 'trial' with no criteria for success set! "Oh aye that bit, we'll sort that out later, pinky promise" So with the votes in against the proposal, the next step would appear for Petrie to go tell the EoS clubs they are all wrong and trial and force the proposal through without change, I suspect he'll fail here. Either that or he's going to actually listen and try and come up with a proposal that recognises club concerns... decide for yourself. Is he going to meet with LL clubs as well? Are the SFA continue to make the mistake of not talking to junior clubs and trusting TJ to be properly engaging with clubs and representing and communicating to them without bias? 10 minutes ago, parsforlife said: This was presumably sent to clubs/leagues before this weeks meeting? With the votes coming back 100% against the proposal from EoS and LL. Given the SFA have acknowledged that leagues should survey clubs then you would expect they need to recognise and act upon the results of those votes? Why ask for votes to ignore any outcome? The SFA believe the disciplinary stuff has been resolved, I doubt everyone would agree with that but it is at least something. Seems farcical to propose a structure and basically ignore the flow of clubs between leagues. And have it as a 'trial' with no criteria for success set! "Oh aye that bit, we'll sort that out later, pinky promise" So with the votes in against the proposal, the next step would appear for Petrie to go tell the EoS clubs they are all wrong and trial and force the proposal through without change, I suspect he'll fail here. Either that or he's going to actually listen and try and come up with a proposal that recognises club concerns... decide for yourself. Is he going to meet with LL clubs as well? Are the SFA continue to make the mistake of not talking to junior clubs and trusting TJ to be properly engaging with clubs and representing and communicating to them without bias? What were the voting results from the Junior clubs, as required by 31/3/19 ? When will the SFA formally consider the boundary issue. The interim proposals, if implemented for one year only, breach the SFA's pyramid structure by wrongly putting north of Tayside clubs, in the Lowland catchment area. This is primary school stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthteller Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Squeaky bum time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golum Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 total farce 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthteller Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Don't see anything wrong with the proposal, however understandingly the teams that jumped the gun and into the promised land of the EOS will be less than happy. No apparent objections from the west or east region juniors or the SOS, just the EOS. Not really much difference to the lowland league. I wouldn't be surprised if the SFA enforce it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 10 hours ago, Robert James said: What were the voting results from the Junior clubs, as required by 31/3/19 ? When will the SFA formally consider the boundary issue. The interim proposals, if implemented for one year only, breach the SFA's pyramid structure by wrongly putting north of Tayside clubs, in the Lowland catchment area. This is primary school stuff. Primary school stuff indeed, the document clubs were asked to vote on was ridiculously light on detail. I suspect that Junior clubs wont have been asked to vote, it’s an SJFA plan after all which the SFA have adopted without actually thinking it through and without listening. This suggestion that the SFA can enforce it is probably baseless, they don't even know the mechanism of how they can actually do this and override agreed rules and regulations. If they tried, it would cause a lot more bother to them that it's actually worth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthteller Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Time will tell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 Indeed, an interesting few weeks ahead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Primary school stuff indeed, the document clubs were asked to vote on was ridiculously light on detail. I suspect that Junior clubs wont have been asked to vote, it’s an SJFA plan after all which the SFA have adopted without actually thinking it through and without listening. This suggestion that the SFA can enforce it is probably baseless, they don't even know the mechanism of how they can actually do this and override agreed rules and regulations. If they tried, it would cause a lot more bother to them that it's actually worth. Did your club get awarded an Entry Licence at yesterday's Board meeting ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: I suspect that Junior clubs wont have been asked to vote, it’s an SJFA plan after all which the SFA have adopted without actually thinking it through and without listening. Which goes against the proposal of Quote Each body agreed to organise a vote on whether a trial of the proposed structure can take place for the 2019/20 season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, Robert James said: Did your club get awarded an Entry Licence at yesterday's Board meeting ? As of last night we hadn't been advised, neither it seems has anyone else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo87 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Sorry to be asking people to repeating themselves, trying to cut through the posts here and struggling to keep up... Am I right in saying the latest proposal from PWG meeting is that the SFA will try and enforce the west and east juniors to join alongside the Current EOS, meaning the top team of each respective premier league will get a chance to playoff for LL? If so this is an absolute farce. Has there been any explanation to their thinkin? Does TJ have influence in this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, geo87 said: Sorry to be asking people to repeating themselves, trying to cut through the posts here and struggling to keep up... Am I right in saying the latest proposal from PWG meeting is that the SFA will try and enforce the west and east juniors to join alongside the Current EOS, meaning the top team of each respective premier league will get a chance to playoff for LL? If so this is an absolute farce. Has there been any explanation to their thinkin? Does TJ have influence in this? This is the proposal, notice how: there's bugger all under the Highland League they refer to it as a one year trial the fact that the SJFA East Super League will not exist next season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Journeyman Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 This is the proposal, notice how: there's bugger all under the Highland League they refer to it as a one year trial the fact that the SJFA East Super League will not exist next season The most bizarre thing of it all is 4 teams in a playoff fighting for 1 promotion spot and more than likely only the team who wins EOS will be licenced and eligible for promotion.So entry to Lowland League is just about impossible for a majority of clubs.A pyramid with no entry. Only in Scotland eh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo87 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Jesus fucking Christ. Just when you thought the SFA couldn’t get any more inept.Is it a case of not understanding what’s needed? Or trying to protect current member clubs, or keep TJ happy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 If it's only a one year trial as a stop gap to a permanent solution that addresses the Tay boundary and geographical overlap, and as things stand only Girvan have a license as an SJFA member in the LL catchment, and there is talk of tightening up further on licensing, people who are only really interested in the SPFL level are probably genuinely wondering what exactly all the fuss is over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Fife Journeyman said: The most bizarre thing of it all is 4 teams in a playoff fighting for 1 promotion spot and more than likely only the team who wins EOS will be licenced and eligible for promotion. So entry to Lowland League is just about impossible for a majority of clubs. A pyramid with no entry. Only in Scotland eh. Do you not find it more bizarre that there is "bugger all" below the HFL ? I'm fairly certain that entry into the LL will change (eventually). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Jesus fucking Christ. Just when you thought the SFA couldn’t get any more inept.Is it a case of not understanding what’s needed? Or trying to protect current member clubs, or keep TJ happy?This is an SFA directive and is not new or just negotiated. It stems from last summer.The lowland sub pwg group has just been brexiting it for months now. No formal alternative complete proposal has been put forward. Like Brexit it's all just what we dont want.Once again I dont support it but I'm dismayed that the eos and ll have not actually put a firm counter proposal up that would at least give the SFA something to chew over. Just saying we dont mind the west juniors or tayside can have its own league does not fill the void. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 How can they do a one year trial? Imagine if Lochee win the ERJFA and get a license (not that unlikely if they get floodlights). They can get in the LL if they win the play-offs. Yet if the trial ends and they revert to the current rules, they're in the wrong league geographically and have nowhere to go to if they get relegated.Even weirder, should they win promotion to the SPFL but get relegated after, they'd end up in the HL... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, superbigal said: Once again I dont support it but I'm dismayed that the eos and ll have not actually put a firm counter proposal up that would at least give the SFA something to chew over. Just saying we dont mind the west juniors or tayside can have its own league does not fill the void. Is there even a counter proposal that would be acceptable to the SJFA and SFA? The solution to two leagues in the east is for a merger but TJ said "he would not be willing to tell them that they had to join the EOS FA to progress" (could do with a pyramid timeline like the Chronicles of the Banter Years thread!). Or if the EOS/LL said they want just two feeders (east/west) for the LL play-off (leading to automatic promotion in future), do you think that the SJFA and SOS would be happy with that? Edited April 19, 2019 by Ginaro added TJ quote 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Marten said: How can they do a one year trial? Imagine if Lochee win the ERJFA and get a license (not that unlikely if they get floodlights). They can get in the LL if they win the play-offs. Yet if the trial ends and they revert to the current rules, they're in the wrong league geographically and have nowhere to go to if they get relegated. Even weirder, should they win promotion to the SPFL but get relegated after, they'd end up in the HL... It's Scotland things don't need to fully make sense. That's why we have Berwick in the SPFL and have no mechanism available to relegate Fort William even after a goal difference of over -200. Edited April 19, 2019 by LongTimeLurker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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