Burnie_man Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 Something i got sent So a long way away from a "done deal", I doubt you'll see Juniors in the Pyramid next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Are we again seeing political motives and misinformation playing out behind the scenes where "self-interest" of one or more Junior party is over-riding the general interests of Junior clubs as a whole in making a seamless move into the Senior Non League Pyramid? No guesses who is behind the current log-jam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 Also hearing the meeting was a stalemate and juniors now looking very unlikely for the pyramid next year. Looks like my lot might be going east after all! Someone should get their finger out with the LL2! I hope LL2 West and East is on their radar. Given the stalemate, the door is wide open to get this on the table. I doubt the EoS, SoS and SFA would have any objections and would largely break the impasse. Even an initial single division with 8 west and 8 east clubs would move things along rapidly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Pyramidic said: Are we again seeing political motives and misinformation playing out behind the scenes where "self-interest" of one or more Junior party is over-riding the general interests of Junior clubs as a whole in making a seamless move into the Senior Non League Pyramid? No guesses who is behind the current log-jam. The problem is probably that you have a national body that has no ongoing obvious role in a pyramid context doing the negotiations rather than the three regions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 The problem is probably that you have a national body that has no ongoing obvious role in a pyramid context doing the negotiations rather than the three regions.Correct. There isn't a one size fits all solution for the three Junior regions. Get the leagues round the table, not the SJFA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 God bless you for it but it's a bit out of order posting something on an open forum which is so clearly marked as confidential. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 God bless you for it but it's a bit out of order posting something on an open forum which is so clearly marked as confidential.Maybe sniper is actually Julian Assange [emoji23] "fitbaleaks" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreamer Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 39 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: God bless you for it but it's a bit out of order posting something on an open forum which is so clearly marked as confidential. A bit like the leaked sfa letter that was leaked by the junior clubs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the sniper Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Maybe sniper is actually Julian Assange [emoji23] "fitbaleaks" You've blown my cover [emoji849] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 You've blown my cover [emoji849]I hear Ecuador is nice this time of year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 3 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: The initiative for LL2 seemed to come from Civil Service Strollers. That's why i'm saying they are only influencing things now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I would split the current Lowland League into two, at tier 5, with a LL East and an LL West. Along with the Highland League you would then have better regional pyramid set up at tier 5. East Kilbride, BSC, Cumbernauld, Edusport, Gretna and Dalbeattie would move to the LLW and the top half dozen or more West Junior sides should be invited to join them (e.g. Auchinleck, Hulrford, Pollok, Beith etc.) The vacancies in the LLE would create vacancies that would allow the accelerated promotion of the ambitious EOS sides such as Bonnyrigg, Linlithgow, Penicuik, Hill of Beath, Bo'ness etc. I'd drop the SoS league to tier 6 as being their more appropriate level, or perhaps merge them with ex WOS Juniors in a regionalised pyramid set up at tiers 6/7/8. There could be a case for creating another a fourth regional league at tier 5 for the "Midlands", to allow Tayside, Perth and Fife juniors/senior sides to participate. That would allow a better play-off structure to advance to the SPFL. The promotion to the SPFL should be opened up to allow the automatic promotion / relegation of at least one team each season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I would split the current Lowland League into two, at tier 5, with a LL East and an LL West. Along with the Highland League you would then have better regional pyramid set up at tier 5. East Kilbride, BSC, Cumbernauld, Edusport, Gretna and Dalbeattie would move to the LLW and the top half dozen or more West Junior sides should be invited to join them (e.g. Auchinleck, Hulrford, Pollok, Beith etc.) The vacancies in the LLE would create vacancies that would allow the accelerated promotion of the ambitious EOS sides such as Bonnyrigg, Linlithgow, Penicuik, Hill of Beath, Bo'ness etc. I'd drop the SoS league to tier 6 as being their more appropriate level, or perhaps merge them with ex WOS Juniors in a regionalised pyramid set up at tiers 6/7/8. There could be a case for creating another a fourth regional league at tier 5 for the "Midlands", to allow Tayside, Perth and Fife juniors/senior sides to participate. That would allow a better play-off structure to advance to the SPFL. The promotion to the SPFL should be opened up to allow the automatic promotion / relegation of at least one team each season. Split at tier 5 in the LL cant happen as lack of licensed clubs in west. An all in for the north (Highland League) & the south (Lowland League) ie how it currently stands is the right set up. Also makes no sense to jump from national football if relegated from SPFL2 to sub-regional. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: Split at tier 5 in the LL cant happen as lack of licensed clubs in west. An all in for the north (Highland League) & the south (Lowland League) ie how it currently stands is the right set up. Also makes no sense to jump from national football if relegated from SPFL2 to sub-regional. Neither does it make sense having no relegation from the HFL at tier 5 when if there are other leagues like West East or South ,even Midlands, such is the lop sidedness of Scotland's geography, how can that be a proper pyramid ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: Split at tier 5 in the LL cant happen as lack of licensed clubs in west. An all in for the north (Highland League) & the south (Lowland League) ie how it currently stands is the right set up. Also makes no sense to jump from national football if relegated from SPFL2 to sub-regional. None of the problems you see are insurmountable. Give clubs a season's grace to get their licence. If they don't achieve it then they will automatically be relegated. If they don't want to go to the bother of obtaining a licence, then tier 5 would be closed to them. A some point in the pyramid you have to relegate someone from a national league to a regional league. The LL like the HL and SoS are the current regional leagues at tier 5. East Stirlingshire therefore dropped from a national league at tier 4 into a regional league at tier 5. Edited January 20, 2019 by Footballfirst 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Neither does it make sense having no relegation from the HFL at tier 5 when if there are other leagues like West East or South ,even Midlands, such is the lop sidedness of Scotland's geography, how can that be a proper pyramid ?? Incorporating the North Juniors and North Caledonian Leagues into the regional pyramid for the HL could provide a promotion/relegation setup there. I'm not being critical of yourself, but I think many people find it easier to find reasons not to change rather than seek solutions that enable positive change. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 None of the problems you see are insurmountable. Give clubs a season's grace to get their licence. If they don't achieve it then they will automatically be relegated. If they don't want to go to the bother of obtaining a licence, then tier 5 would be closed to them. A some point in the pyramid you have to relegate someone from a national league to a regional league. The LL like the HL and SoS are the current regional leagues at tier 5. East Stirlingshire therefore dropped from a national league at tier 4 into a regional league at tier 5. SOS is tier 6 alongside the EOS.I know LL & HL are regional. Your proposal would have going from national football to east/west leagues which are sub-regional ie sub-regions of established LL territory. A club dropping national football would be fine playing in the current lowland & its geographic scope from D&G to Fife. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 There's not going to be a LL West and LL East at tier 5 anytime soon, the SPFL clubs dont want it, they want it how it is, one north league and once south league to relegate clubs into. The LL are talking of a second division, that's your best hope of a west and east division, at tier 6. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: None of the problems you see are insurmountable. Give clubs a season's grace to get their licence. If they don't achieve it then they will automatically be relegated. If they don't want to go to the bother of obtaining a licence, then tier 5 would be closed to them. A some point in the pyramid you have to relegate someone from a national league to a regional league. The LL like the HL and SoS are the current regional leagues at tier 5. East Stirlingshire therefore dropped from a national league at tier 4 into a regional league at tier 5. While 3 regions at Tier 5 might be a better scenario long term. There's too much vested interest from competing parties to split at the moment. The best way to get there is LL2 West and LL2 East. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 a Lowland League 1 or 2 with any regional split seems bit pointless as the EOS already exists which leads to two different leagues and orgs covering the same territory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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