Burnie_man Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, GordonS said: Whose decision is it to make, do you know? And how much sway do the LL hold? If we're talking about promotion into their league, I'd have thought they'd have more interest in their friends in the EOSFL, and more regard for those who jumped across from the Juniors to join it, than for those who've remained in the ERSJFA. The SFA reps on the PWG (I think Maxwell and Petrie) will take it back to the SFA Board who ultimately make the decisions, just like the embargo. I doubt the SFA Board will go against their recommendations. Petrie I understand is sympathetic to the EoS given his club are members of the EoSFA, but whether that counts for anything who knows. Edited October 15, 2018 by Burnie_man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: The SFA reps on the PWG (I think Maxwell and Petrie) will take it back to the SFA Board who ultimately make the decisions, just like the embargo. I doubt the SFA Board will go against their recommendations. Petrie I understand is sympathetic to the EoS given his club are members of the EoSFA, but whether that counts for anything who knows. Alan McRae has experience of the North Juniors and the HL through Cove Rangers. He's actually taken a team from juniors to seniors! Ian Maxwell has shown very poor understanding of non-league. Rod Petrie as you say at least has a link to the EOSFA, hopefully he'll be lobbied directly. Neil Doncaster... ah, the brains trust. Michael Mulraney, no idea how he may go. Thomas McKeown is from the amateurs so he might understand the madness of having two leagues covering the same area supposedly feeding into a league above. Ana Stewart, dunno how she might vote. Pure guesswork. Hopefully the EOSFA/L will make their feelings known, and will have the backing of the LL. Apart from anything else, what the hell are they going to propose happens to, say, Whitehill Welfare if they get relegated? They pick a division? It's nuts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 41 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: What the EoS can do about ERJFA potentially becoming a competitor league covering the same area I don't know, it's madness and continues artificial division but as I said, not sure how much the SFA understand or care. Suppose the only way to stop it would be if the east juniors collapsed completely and was left with just the Tayside clubs! Maybe the EOS would need to approach the 20 clubs south of the Tay and persuade them to join? I'm sure Inverkeithing and Rosyth would like to play each other, and clubs could avoid the Tayside trips if they moved. Apart from Fauldhouse none of them would've been playing in the Superleague this season without the exodus so they should be fine joining at tier 7 or below. 5 minutes ago, GordonS said: Michael Mulraney, no idea how he may go. Apart from anything else, what the hell are they going to propose happens to, say, Whitehill Welfare if they get relegated? They pick a division? It's nuts. Mulraney is chairman at Alloa, with BSC Glasgow as tenants, and his group owns the company that sponsors the LL so you'd hope he would vote the right way... Presumably they'd go to the EOS Premier. But could a EOS team move to the Superleague and vice-versa, or are the teams locked into the same league forever? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ginaro said: Presumably they'd go to the EOS Premier. But could a EOS team move to the Superleague and vice-versa, or are the teams locked into the same league forever? The way it's phrased in the Lowland League's rules is that the relegated team is relegated into the "League which will have been decided by the Boards of the three leagues prior to the start of each season." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, Ginaro said: Suppose the only way to stop it would be if the east juniors collapsed completely and was left with just the Tayside clubs! Maybe the EOS would need to approach the 20 clubs south of the Tay and persuade them to join? I'm sure Inverkeithing and Rosyth would like to play each other, and clubs could avoid the Tayside trips if they moved. Apart from Fauldhouse none of them would've been playing in the Superleague this season without the exodus so they should be fine joining at tier 7 or below. Mulraney is chairman at Alloa, with BSC Glasgow as tenants, and his group owns the company that sponsors the LL so you'd hope he would vote the right way... Presumably they'd go to the EOS Premier. But could a EOS team move to the Superleague and vice-versa, or are the teams locked into the same league forever? Ta, I knew he was Alloa chairman but I didn't realise his firm sponsors the LL. That could be a useful link. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 11 hours ago, GordonS said: Thomas McKeown is from the amateurs so he might understand the madness of having two leagues covering the same area supposedly feeding into a league above. He's TJ's "source" on the SFA Board, and a dinosaur, so I doubt it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 11 hours ago, Ginaro said: Suppose the only way to stop it would be if the east juniors collapsed completely and was left with just the Tayside clubs! Maybe the EOS would need to approach the 20 clubs south of the Tay and persuade them to join? I'm sure Inverkeithing and Rosyth would like to play each other, and clubs could avoid the Tayside trips if they moved. Apart from Fauldhouse none of them would've been playing in the Superleague this season without the exodus so they should be fine joining at tier 7 or below. You have to remember that West Lothian is probably little different from Ayrshire when it comes to "Joonyur men", those clubs from the area remaining in the ERJFA wont be busting a gut to move IF the ERJFA gain access regardless of whether it makes sense or not. The Tayside travel aspect could have an influence though, I'm guessing Whitburn and Fauldhouse will be shelling out a pretty penny on buses and/or travel expenses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: You have to remember that West Lothian is probably little different from Ayrshire when it comes to "Joonyur men", those clubs from the area remaining in the ERJFA wont be busting a gut to move IF the ERJFA gain access regardless of whether it makes sense or not. The Tayside travel aspect could have an influence though, I'm guessing Whitburn and Fauldhouse will be shelling out a pretty penny on buses and/or travel expenses. Your joking the travel in eosfl is much worse they say. Dispite camelon travel being on average 20 miles less per game on last year super league would have been a hundred times worse if stayed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) To me the West Region need to just come become the West of Scotland League but would need to include Glasgow Uni in the structure. The teams would compete in South Challenge CUp basically a replacement for Junior cup which includes all non league teams. There own version of Alex Jack Cup for non licensed clubs. The east clubs need to come over and I drew up how it could look obviously guessing that Bonnyrigg win the playoff and whitehill come down obviously the formula could be altered to suit. I guessed at top 5 and a random stab at the 6th team. Tayside clubs to create there own league as a feeder to Highland league. I also believe the so called below the tay clubs scone and Kinnoull would stay as it seems more logical for them to stay with those teams. This is how it could look for next season East of Scotland Premiership 2019-2020 1. Whitehill Welfare 2. Penicuik Athletic 3. Hill O'Beath 4. Dunbar United 5. Musselburgh Athletic 6. Newtongrange Star 7. Leith Athletic (a guess on 6th place) 8. Dundonald Bluebell 9. Tranent Juniors 10. Bo'ness United 11. Sauchie Juniors 12. Linlithgow Rose 13. Jeanfield Swifts 14. Broxburn Athletic 15. Camelon Juniors 16. Heriott Watt Uni Division 1 North 1. Thornton Hibs 2. Tayport 3. Glenrothes 4. Kennoway Star Hearts 5. Newburgh 6. Kirkcaldy YM 7. Lochore Welfare 8. Lochgelly Albert 9. Rosyth 10. Oakley United 11. Crossgates Primrose 12. Burnt Island Shipyard 13. Invekeithing Hillfield Swifts 14. St. Andrews United Division 1 West 1. Whitburn Juniors 2. Fauldhouse United 3. Pumpherston Juniors 4. Armadale Thistle 5. West Calder United 6. Bathgate Thistle 7. Stoneyburn Juniors 8. Harthill Royal 9. Dunipace FC 10. Stirling Uni EOSFL 11. Blackburn United 12. Livingston United 13. Craigroyston 14. Syngenta FC Division 1 East 1. Coldstream 2. Peebles Rovers 3. Easthouses Lily 4. Arniston Rangers 5. Hawick Royal Albert 6. Tweedmouth Rangers 7. Dalkeith Thistle 8. Haddington Athletic 9. Tynecastle FC 10. Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale 11. Eyemouth United 12. Preston Athletic 13. Ormiston 14. Edinburgh United At end of the season multiple things could happen 3 up and 3 down as a definate with 4th bottom of EOSFL dropping down if the Highland League winner went up and someone from the lowland came down resulted in relegation from Lowland League to EOSFL. Or same as this year where top 5 and best 6th make up a new Division 1. Leaving the remaining 26 to be split into two leagues of 13 and if you maybe got another 2 clubs in you could have two leagues of 14. League Cup for 19/20 the 3 x 14 division 1 clubs would play the qualifying league 14 groups of 3 winners go through with the 16 clubs from Premiership. The following season if went to 3 tier structure would be the same bottom clubs play in the qualifying league to qualify for league cup while the premiership and division 1 would be in the 1st round waiting. Edited October 16, 2018 by AlanCamelonfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: To me the West Region need to just come become the West of Scotland League but would need to include Glasgow Uni in the structure. The teams would compete in South Challenge CUp basically a replacement for Junior cup which includes all non league teams. There own version of Alex Jack Cup for non licensed clubs. The east clubs need to come over and I drew up how it could look obviously guessing that Bonnyrigg win the playoff and whitehill come down obviously the formula could be altered to suit. I guessed at top 5 and a random stab at the 6th team. Tayside clubs to create there own league as a feeder to Highland league. I also believe the so called below the tay clubs scone and Kinnoull would stay as it seems more logical for them to stay with those teams. This is how it could look for next season East of Scotland Premiership 2019-2020 1. Whitehill Welfare 2. Penicuik Athletic 3. Hill O'Beath 4. Dunbar United 5. Musselburgh Athletic 6. Newtongrange Star 7. Leith Athletic (a guess on 6th place) 8. Dundonald Bluebell 9. Tranent Juniors 10. Bo'ness United 11. Sauchie Juniors 12. Linlithgow Rose 13. Jeanfield Swifts 14. Broxburn Athletic 15. Camelon Juniors 16. Heriott Watt Uni Division 1 North 1. Thornton Hibs 2. Tayport 3. Glenrothes 4. Kennoway Star Hearts 5. Newburgh 6. Kirkcaldy YM 7. Lochore Welfare 8. Lochgelly Albert 9. Rosyth 10. Oakley United 11. Crossgates Primrose 12. Burnt Island Shipyard 13. Invekeithing Hillfield Swifts 14. St. Andrews United Division 1 West 1. Whitburn Juniors 2. Fauldhouse United 3. Pumpherston Juniors 4. Armadale Thistle 5. West Calder United 6. Bathgate Thistle 7. Stoneyburn Juniors 8. Harthill Royal 9. Dunipace FC 10. Stirling Uni EOSFL 11. Blackburn United 12. Livingston United 13. Craigroyston 14. Syngenta FC At end of the season multiple things could happen 3 up and 3 down as a definate with 4th bottom of EOSFL dropping down if the Highland League winner went up and someone from the lowland came down resulted in relegation from Lowland League to EOSFL. Or same as this year where top 5 and best 6th make up a new Division 1. Leaving the remaining 26 to be split into two leagues of 13 and if you maybe got another 2 clubs in you could have two leagues of 14. League Cup for 19/20 the 3 x 14 division 1 clubs would play the qualifying league 14 groups of 3 winners go through with the 16 clubs from Premiership. The following season if went to 3 tier structure would be the same bottom clubs play in the qualifying league to qualify for league cup while the premiership and division 1 would be in the 1st round waiting. I assume you have missed out Div 1 East? I'm not a fan of three regions, difficult to manage for promotion/relegation, plus looking at that West is much harder than the North. EoS Premier x 16, EoS First x 16, then perhaps two regions below (or conferences to deal with new clubs). Same set-up as last season in the ERJFA, minus the Tayside clubs. That said, this is how it should work, not setting up the ERJFA as a competitor league. Edited October 16, 2018 by Burnie_man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: I assume you have missed out Div 1 East? I'm not a fan of three regions, difficult to manage for promotion/relegation, plus looking at that West is much harder than the North. EoS Premier x 16, EoS First x 16, then perhaps two regions below. Same set-up as last season in the ERJFA, minus the Tayside clubs. Division 1 East 1. Coldstream 2. Peebles Rovers 3. Easthouses Lily 4. Arniston Rangers 5. Hawick Royal Albert 6. Tweedmouth Rangers 7. Dalkeith Thistle 8. Haddington Athletic 9. Tynecastle FC 10. Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale 11. Eyemouth United 12. Preston Athletic 13. Ormiston 14. Edinburgh United sorry there you go. I can understand that but not sure about having 3 or 4 divisons all in 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: I assume you have missed out Div 1 East? I'm not a fan of three regions, difficult to manage for promotion/relegation, plus looking at that West is much harder than the North. EoS Premier x 16, EoS First x 16, then perhaps two regions below. Same set-up as last season in the ERJFA, minus the Tayside clubs. I did suggest going to that for 2020-2021. But using the conferences for tier 7 as i think it would encourge the clubs over than trying to sort out clubs at t7 and t8 for next yr aswell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Division 1 East 1. Coldstream 2. Peebles Rovers 3. Easthouses Lily 4. Arniston Rangers 5. Hawick Royal Albert 6. Tweedmouth Rangers 7. Dalkeith Thistle 8. Haddington Athletic 9. Tynecastle FC 10. Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale 11. Eyemouth United 12. Preston Athletic 13. Ormiston 14. Edinburgh United sorry there you go. I can understand that but not sure about having 3 or 4 divisons all in Can you do one showing EoS Premier x 16, EoS first x 16, then two seeded Conferences, then also one showing EoS Premier, with three seeded Conferences. Edited October 16, 2018 by Burnie_man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Can you do one showing EoS Premier x 16, EoS first x 16, then two seeded Conferences, then also one showing EoS Premier, with three seeded Conferences. As promised using seeding the current EOSFL 1-23. The 18 Juniors and syngenta 1-19 East of Scotland Premiership 2019-2020 1. Whitehill Welfare 2. Penicuik Athletic 3. Hill O'Beath 4. Dunbar United 5. Musselburgh Athletic 6. Newtongrange Star 7. Leith Athletic (a guess on 6th place) 8. Dundonald Bluebell 9. Tranent Juniors 10. Bo'ness United 11. Sauchie Juniors 12. Linlithgow Rose 13. Jeanfield Swifts 14. Broxburn Athletic 15. Camelon Juniors 16. Heriott Watt Uni Division 1a 1. Dalkeith 2. Whitburn 3. Crossgates 4. Fauldhouse 5. Haddington 6. Armadale 7. Tynecastle 8. West Calder United 9. Lothian Thistle 10. Kirkcaldy YM 11. Dunipace 12. Lochgelly Albert 13. Burnt Island Shipyard 14. Tweedmouth Rangers Division 1b 1.Thornton 2.Coldstream 3. Glenrothes 4. Peebles 5. Pumpherston 6. Easthouses 7. Newburgh 8. Arniston Rangers 9. Stoneyburn 10. Hawick 11. Lochore Welfare 12. Oakley United 13. Syngenta 14. Eyemouth United Division 1c 1. Stirling Uni 2. Tayport 3. Preston 4. Kennoway 5. Craigroyston 6. Livingston United 7. St.Andrews United 8. Bathgate Thistle 9. Blackburn United 10. Harthill Royal 11. Edinburgh United 12. Rosyth 13. Ormiston 14. Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: As promised using seeding the current EOSFL 1-23. The 18 Juniors and syngenta 1-19 East of Scotland Premiership 2019-2020 1. Whitehill Welfare 2. Penicuik Athletic 3. Hill O'Beath 4. Dunbar United 5. Musselburgh Athletic 6. Newtongrange Star 7. Leith Athletic (a guess on 6th place) 8. Dundonald Bluebell 9. Tranent Juniors 10. Bo'ness United 11. Sauchie Juniors 12. Linlithgow Rose 13. Jeanfield Swifts 14. Broxburn Athletic 15. Camelon Juniors 16. Heriott Watt Uni Division 1a 1. Dalkeith 2. Whitburn 3. Crossgates 4. Fauldhouse 5. Haddington 6. Armadale 7. Tynecastle 8. West Calder United 9. Lothian Thistle 10. Kirkcaldy YM 11. Dunipace 12. Lochgelly Albert 13. Burnt Island Shipyard 14. Tweedmouth Rangers Division 1b 1.Thornton 2.Coldstream 3. Glenrothes 4. Peebles 5. Pumpherston 6. Easthouses 7. Newburgh 8. Arniston Rangers 9. Stoneyburn 10. Hawick 11. Lochore Welfare 12. Oakley United 13. Syngenta 14. Eyemouth United Division 1c 1. Stirling Uni 2. Tayport 3. Preston 4. Kennoway 5. Craigroyston 6. Livingston United 7. St.Andrews United 8. Bathgate Thistle 9. Blackburn United 10. Harthill Royal 11. Edinburgh United 12. Rosyth 13. Ormiston 14. Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts Top 5 or 6 in each of the three Conferences form the EoS First (tier 7) for season 2020-2021, the remaining 25/26/27 can form two regional divisions at tier 8 (North/West, South/East) Although another interim season probably wouldn't be popular with some clubs who don't make the EoS Premier next season, if that is what it takes to bring some sanity to the situation then go for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Top 5 or 6 in each of the three Conferences form the EoS First (tier 7) for season 2020-2021, the remaining 25/26/27 can form two regional divisions at tier 8 (North/West, South/East) Although another interim season probably wouldn't be popular with some clubs who don't make the EoS Premier next season, if that is what it takes to bring some sanity to the situation then go for it. Alternate. for your 16 team premiership division 1 and 2 leagues of 13 regionalised division 2 Division 1. 1. Dalkeith 2. Stirling Uni EOSFL 3. Coldsteam 4. Crossgates 5. Preston 6. Peebles 7. Haddington 8. Craigroyston 9. Easthouses 10. Tynecastle 11. St Andrews United 12. Arniston Rangers 13. Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale 14. Blackburn United 15. Hawick Royal Albert 16. Dunipace Division 2 north 1.Thornton 2. Tayport 3. Glenrothes 4. Kennoway 5. Newburgh 6. Kirkcaldy YM 7. Lochore Welfare 8. Lochgelly Albert 9. Rosyth 10. Oakley United 11. Burnt Island Shipyard 12. Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts 13. Syngenta Division 2 south 1. Whitburn 2. Fauldhouse 3. Pumpherston 4. Armadale 5. Livingston 6.West Calder 7. Bathgate 8. Stoneyburn 9. Harthill Royal 10. Edinburgh United 11. Ormiston 12. Tweedmouth Rangers 13. Eyemouth United 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Wilson Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Overall I'm quite bemused by the suggestion that the East Juniors may join the pyramid at level 6. Aside from the obvious problems and contradictions pointed out already, the fact that this idea was even mooted at official level is a bit strange. There's some decent Juniors left in the Tayside area, but I recall the EoS saying they took enquiries from clubs north of the Tay looking to join the mass defection back in June. There is a line of logic which suggests that it's perhaps some of these clubs pushing for the East Juniors to join at tier 6 as they can argue that is the level they would have been at next season had they had a senior league to join. That said, a Tayside league at Tier 6 would surely suit them better, and the east Juniors south of the Tay turned down the chance to join the EoS before the start of this season, so presumably aren't bothered about possible promotion or joining at tier 7. Then again if the Juniors as a whole join the pyramid, but what is left of the East doesn't want to join the EoS, what would happen then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Cameron Wilson said: Overall I'm quite bemused by the suggestion that the East Juniors may join the pyramid at level 6. Aside from the obvious problems and contradictions pointed out already, the fact that this idea was even mooted at official level is a bit strange. There's some decent Juniors left in the Tayside area, but I recall the EoS saying they took enquiries from clubs north of the Tay looking to join the mass defection back in June. There is a line of logic which suggests that it's perhaps some of these clubs pushing for the East Juniors to join at tier 6 as they can argue that is the level they would have been at next season had they had a senior league to join. That said, a Tayside league at Tier 6 would surely suit them better, and the east Juniors south of the Tay turned down the chance to join the EoS before the start of this season, so presumably aren't bothered about possible promotion or joining at tier 7. Then again if the Juniors as a whole join the pyramid, but what is left of the East doesn't want to join the EoS, what would happen then? Whats the point staying junior Pumpherston and bathgate etc don't want to go to super league as all the travel they would be aswell joining eosfl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 Embargo lifted. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Embargo lifted. Very good news! Any change to the requirements? If not, applications will probably start flooding in very soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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