eez-eh Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Did David Marshall ask not to be included as well? I know Ritchie and Snodgrass have had "personal issues", and that McArthur and Hutton had just given it up, but I was under the impression Marshall just wasn't being picked. People seem to be assuming that every single player who hasn’t been picked in a while “isn’t interested anymore”. f**k knows why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 33 minutes ago, JamesM82 said: This, but would also add that the lack of players getting moves in the last 4-5 years is really showing. It's also not helped by the ludicrous situation where we seem to have more Scotland-eligible players in the EPL (or Championship) who are "retired" from internationals (Ritchie, McArthur, Snodgrass, Hutton, Marshall) than those that are actually turning up. With the lack of options at right-back, it's ridiculous that Alan Hutton has been allowed to retire. Okay, he's not a world beater, but he's better than Ricky Foster! We need to start thinking like smaller countries (e.g. Northern Ireland), who keep on picking their few international standard players for much longer, rather than just assuming that a decent player will come through soon. Our player pool isn't big enough to think like that. Eh, its not Nazi Germany mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Aye for all we know McLeish has maybe spoken to Hutton and he’s quietly declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Enigma said: Aye for all we know McLeish has maybe incoherently slurred something to Hutton and he’s quietly declined. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, Londonwell said: Eh, its not Nazi Germany mate. No, but you can make it clear to the players that if they withdraw from squads without good reason that they will be put out of selection for their following club game(s). As with Northern Ireland and Lafferty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, eez-eh said: People seem to be assuming that every single player who hasn’t been picked in a while “isn’t interested anymore”. f**k knows why. Probably because when it starts looking strange to the media that somebody isn't being picked (like Marshall and Ritchie this time), they ask the manager. Instead of the manager announcing it publicly in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 You can't stop someone retiring. Nobody "let" Hutton retire. He simply did it. Nobody gets a say in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Fully fit XI to start against Albania: ________________Marshall Hutton___Cooper___Fox___Bardsley ____Morrison_McArthur_Bannan Snodgrass___________________Ritchie _______________Rhodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, Principal Flutie said: You can't stop someone retiring. Nobody "let" Hutton retire. He simply did it. Nobody gets a say in the matter. That's an absurdly passive position. We're in a scenario where we have one good standard right-back, but he's going to be twiddling his thumbs for the next fortnight and we're going to either play somebody wildly out of position (Tierney, Paterson, Jack) or change the whole system of the team instead. Why? McLeish gave Hutton his break in professional football. Doesn't Hutton owe him something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 32 minutes ago, JamesM82 said: No, but you can make it clear to the players that if they withdraw from squads without good reason that they will be put out of selection for their following club game(s). As with Northern Ireland and Lafferty. What are you talking about? Hutton retired from international football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, SpoonTon said: Fully fit XI to start against Albania: ________________Marshall Hutton___Cooper___Fox___Bardsley ____Morrison_McArthur_Bannan Snodgrass___________________Ritchie _______________Rhodes That team beats McLeish's XI every day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, JamesM82 said: That's an absurdly passive position. We're in a scenario where we have one good standard right-back, but he's going to be twiddling his thumbs for the next fortnight and we're going to either play somebody wildly out of position (Tierney, Paterson, Jack) or change the whole system of the team instead. Why? McLeish gave Hutton his break in professional football. Doesn't Hutton owe him something? No. He doesn't. McLeish didn't pick him for charity, so Hutton owes him f**k all. As for the rest, none of that means anything if Hutton doesn't want to play for Scotland. Clearly he doesn't otherwise he wouldn't be retiring. He can't be forced out of that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Does Ryan Fraser not play rwb for Bournemouth quite a bit? If we have a back 5, I would assume he’ll be playing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Actual footage captured from the first training session following JamesM82's ascendance to the rank of Oberführer. I hate to get all Helen Lovejoy about it, but if we're getting to the point where we're demanding that someone like Alan Fucking Hutton* never retires, then we really may as well pack up. * Because this must always be posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, forameus said: I hate to get all Helen Lovejoy about it, but if we're getting to the point where we're demanding that someone like Alan Fucking Hutton* never retires, then we really may as well pack up. Thanks in part to Hutton's retirement (and two managers just accepting that), Ricky Foster thinks he's worth a call up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 19 minutes ago, Londonwell said: Does Ryan Fraser not play rwb for Bournemouth quite a bit? If we have a back 5, I would assume he’ll be playing there. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, JamesM82 said: No, instead we're in the position where Ricky Foster (!) thinks he's worth a call up. But at least that's someone who actually wants to be included. Hutton is probably still a better player, but he's exercised his right to not want to be involved anymore. Are you really suggesting we say players now can't stop being called up to the team and it potentially risk their club career? Like, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, forameus said: But at least that's someone who actually wants to be included. Hutton is probably still a better player, but he's exercised his right to not want to be involved anymore. Are you really suggesting we say players now can't stop being called up to the team and it potentially risk their club career? Like, really? If needs must, yes. I would also suggest going back to paying fees for each international match, instead of rolling them up in the vain hope of qualifying for a tournament. That would encourage fringe players to turn up, rather than have them nursing an injury or retiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, JamesM82 said: If needs must, yes. I would also suggest going back to paying fees for each international match, instead of rolling them up in the vain hope of qualifying for a tournament. That would encourage fringe players to turn up for each international, instead of nursing an "injury". So the answer to a general apathy around voluntarily representing Scotland is some kind of National Service where it's compulsory, offset by offering them a relative pittance to their club wage. Aye, OK then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 It can't be easy for the players to be fair. Having to listen all week to McLeish's incoherent pish then be expected to follow his implauseable tactics in a shitty, soulless stadium filled with increasingly bemused and disenchanted supporters. All that even BEFORE considering them having to be exposed to the utter cuntery of the organ grinders within the SFA....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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