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SPFL reject idea to remove plastic pitches from top divison

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Scotland's top flight last night booted out the idea of following Holland's lead and ripping up its plastic pitches.

This week the Eredivisie announced a proposal to scrap artificial surfaces in an unprecedented move which would be financed by Champions League hand outs from Feyenoord, Ajax and PSV Eindhoven.

The radical plan has created a great deal of interest among Scottish supporters and clubs how have complained regularly about the standard of synthetic pitches at three top-flight clubs.

Any change to the current set-up would require the support of nine top-flight clubs as well as 75 per cent of the clubs in the lower three divisions.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/scottish-football-stuck-plastic-pitches-13398421

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An interesting idea?

Are there any fans of Livingston, Hamilton or Kilmarnock that stopped going because of the change to an artificial pitch OR any fans of other SPFL teams that stopped visiting those grounds BECAUSE of the pitch change?

Edited by The_Judge

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Celtic aren't willing to pay £3M for a decent defender. They're not going to hand over £3M to the other Premiership clubs (including Rangers!) to no longer have plastic pitches.

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6 minutes ago, The_Judge said:

Are there any fans of Livingston, Hamilton or Kilmarnock that stopped going because of the change to an artificial pitch

No.

6 minutes ago, The_Judge said:

OR any fans of other SPFL teams that stopped visiting those grounds BECAUSE of the pitch change?

Yes, because it because it gives them an excuse for getting pumped.

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Good. The lies and propaganda around artificial pitches are laughable and I can't believe so many folk still buy in to them.

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The Dutch can lose their artificial surfaces, for sure, but I assume they have a better supply of these in their communities? Quite often, the artificial surfaces we're talking about in Scotland are a valuable community amenity. Our weather is also different to that in the Netherlands, being colder and wetter. We therefore have a greater need to use them.

In terms of numbers, 50% of L1 use them. 30% of L2, 8/20 in L1/2. Another 30% in Championship - 11/30 sides (if my counting is accurate!)

 

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5 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Good. The lies and propaganda around artificial pitches are laughable and I can't believe so many folk still buy in to them.

I think so much of it is about the look as much as the way it plays. So common on Open All Mics for the criticism of them to be of the black pellets.

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Compared to the tattie field we used to play on a couple of seasons back; our current pitch is a joy.

Also there seems to be an assumption that all grass pitches play exactly the same; surely this varies greatly depending on the state of the pitch; how wet it is or even the time of the year. There also seems to be an asserting by some of the anti pundits that no-one get injured on a grass pitch; one of them even wrote a piece a few years back about the importance of replacing divots as the dangers they present to a player in full sprint slipping on them.

Having seen some of the early games at QPR and Fulham in the late seventies; the current crop of pitches are like night and day.

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1 hour ago, DA Baracus said:

Good. The lies and propaganda around artificial pitches are laughable and I can't believe so many folk still buy in to them.

So they’re as good as grass pitches to play on?

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5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

So they’re as good as grass pitches to play on?

Depends what time of year it is.

Related image

Image result for hampden pitch mud

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7 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

So they’re as good as grass pitches to play on?

What artificial pitch? What grass pitch?

The answer is both yes and no. Some artificial pitches are better than some grass pitches. Some grass pitches are better than some artificial pitches.

Unless you think all grass pitches are the same and the ball runs exactly the same on them all and bounces exactly the same on them all, which is often what the arguments of the moron pundits suggest when they talk about apparent 'dodgy' bounces and how the ball 'doesn't run the same' as grass pitches.

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1 hour ago, The_Judge said:

An interesting idea?

Are there any fans of Livingston, Hamilton or Kilmarnock that stopped going because of the change to an artificial pitch OR any fans of other SPFL teams that stopped visiting those grounds BECAUSE of the pitch change?

No.

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5 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

What artificial pitch? What grass pitch?

The answer is both yes and no. Some artificial pitches are better than some grass pitches. Some grass pitches are better than some artificial pitches.

Unless you think all grass pitches are the same and the ball runs exactly the same on them all and bounces exactly the same on them all, which is often what the arguments of the moron pundits suggest when they talk about apparent 'dodgy' bounces and how the ball 'doesn't run the same' as grass pitches.

Are the best artificial pitches as good as the best grass pitches?

 

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Hell of a misleading headline that. The SPFL haven't rejected anything. They've clearly left it up to the clubs to propose a change if they so wish.

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I think the title is a bit misleading - the clubs need to propose the idea and then vote on it. From what I understand (maybe I'm wrong), the clubs haven't proposed this yet therefore nothing has been rejected.

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I was skeptical about Livi putting in their pitch over the summer but based on the number of games we had to cancel last year that cost the club thousands and now that our new one is bedding in I'm in favor of it if its the right think for the club (i.e. we can't afford the artificial lights in the winter or have half synthetic half real grass like Hearts so I think its been a good thing everything considered.

Save even more money as don't need to pay to upkeep a training pitch either. Team trains in the stadium now!

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13 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Are the best artificial pitches as good as the best grass pitches?

 

Not sure. Probably not.

But an irrelevant point.

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The "idea" which the SPFL "rejected" essentially consisted of some waster at the Daily Record phoning up the SPFL and asking if they had any plans to do something that the Dutch clubs haven't even agreed to do yet. It hasn't been proposed by any clubs, hasn't been voted on and indeed probably hasn't even been considered.

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4 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

The "idea" which the SPFL "rejected" essentially consisted of some waster at the Daily Record phoning up the SPFL and asking if they had any plans to do something that the Dutch clubs haven't even agreed to do yet. It hasn't been proposed by any clubs, hasn't been voted on and indeed probably hasn't even been considered.

This.

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5 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

The "idea" which the SPFL "rejected" essentially consisted of some waster at the Daily Record phoning up the SPFL and asking if they had any plans to do something that the Dutch clubs haven't even agreed to do yet. It hasn't been proposed by any clubs, hasn't been voted on and indeed probably hasn't even been considered.

Surely you cant be implying that the Daily Record could actually manufacture some news stories?

:oops

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