ICTJohnboy Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, sjc said: Is it true that the Palestinians turned up last night waving Scotland flags demanding an end to the Israeli occupation of the Scottish penalty area? Worst night of watching a Scotland team I've had for a long time, but this post did a lot to ease the pain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Tierney can play centre half just fine as he has shown in the past The skills needed for left wing back are not all that dissimilar to left back. Robertson should be able to adjust over time with no real issues The bigger issue is how shocking we looked all over the park. You can't just say it's the formation that's wholly responsible for that given how many other teams seem to be able to play it no botherRobertson playing with no winger in front of him takes away his biggest weapon. He makes runs beyond and gets played in for Liverpool.Back 4 with Robertson at lb, KT at rb with Fraser and Forrest playing in front of them is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Robertson playing with no winger in front of him takes away his biggest weapon. He makes runs beyond and gets played in for Liverpool.Back 4 with Robertson at lb, KT at rb with Fraser and Forrest playing in front of them is the way to go. McGregor left coming inside would suit Robertson more I think, keep Fraser in number 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 McGregor left coming inside would suit Robertson more I think, keep Fraser in number 10. Sounds good too. Either way his game isn't suited to the left wing back position.We need Armstrong to be getting a game for Southampton, classiest player we have had for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I sat through the game at a pub in Glasgow, where a clearly deranged older guy spent the game applauding and chanting for Allan McGregor and loudly booing all the Celtic players. He also cheered the Israel goals. Living through that was still not as bad as watching Scotland's performance. I thought maybe Liechenstein at home was worse but at least we actually did win that game. The two away defeats in Georgia were probably more damaging and meant more in the long run but last night was right up there with the most pathetic, baffling, dreadful and boring Scotland games I've ever seen. We could have had absolutely zero complaints if it finished 4-1. McLeish doesn't seem well and is totally incompetent but the blame is on the idiots that gave him the job in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, sergie's no1 fan said: Robertson playing with no winger in front of him takes away his biggest weapon. He makes runs beyond and gets played in for Liverpool. Back 4 with Robertson at lb, KT at rb with Fraser and Forrest playing in front of them is the way to go. Mane doesn't exactly hug the touchline He tends to drift in and out, playing on the shoulder of defenders and linking with Salah and Firmino A lot of the time Robertson doesn't have someone in front of him at Liverpool. It doesn't cause him to fall apart there The difference at Liverpool is the likes of Miller and Winaldjum going across to help him out and even cover for him when he rampages forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Poet of the Macabre Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 The man is unwell. It's a crime he was given the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Around 1500 away fans? What was the crowd overall? haven't seen it quoted anywhere. Looked pretty empty on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 It's not so much the back three that's affecting Robertson, in my opinion, but that it's with two strikers. In McLeish's first game - Robertson's best at wing-back for Scotland - he linked up really well with Matt Ritchie who played as a left inside forward. Looking back at a couple of games, Ritchie was actually quite good at opening up space for Robertson to drive into, as well as linking with him higher up. There are ways to work around it in last night's formation, either having McGregor or one of the strikers drifting wide to help him, but it's just not the same when you have two strikers occupying a back four compared to Liverpool's front three. It allows the opposition full-back to concentrate on the oncoming wing-back a wee bit more, when, against Liverpool, they have to play incredibly narrow to try and stop the front three and their lethal diagonal runs. I also think his issue with his run timings against Albania was because he didn't know when to go without someone to overlap.Reading back, I noticed a few posters mentioning Robertson cutting back a lot and playing safer passes - he does that for Liverpool too. Quite often, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Why are we constantly trying to shoehorn Tierney and Robertson into the team ? It's pretty much proven not to work. We don't play both McGregor in goals and Gordon in midfield, just because they're decent players. McLeish should make a choice between Robertson or Tierney at left-back, and keep the other on the bench. It's stupidity to keep on playing one of them out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxismydog Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, Jedi said: Around 1500 away fans? What was the crowd overall? haven't seen it quoted anywhere. Looked pretty empty on TV. Radio said 10 thousand and about 200 odds - israiels voted with their feet apparently coz they are pants..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Why are we constantly trying to shoehorn Tierney and Robertson into the team ? It's pretty much proven not to work. We don't play both McGregor in goals and Gordon in midfield, just because they're decent players. McLeish should make a choice between Robertson or Tierney at left-back, and keep the other on the bench. It's stupidity to keep on playing one of them out of position. If Tierney is the best option at RB (in my opinion he is) then McLeish should play him there. He won`t though because he stupidly stated right at the start of his tenure that he wouldn`t do that and now won`t want to look (even more) stupid by having to back on that. That said Craig Gordon could well be better in midfield than Kevin McDonald on the evidence of last night. You might just have hit on something there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, Distant Doonhamer said: If Tierney is the best option at RB (in my opinion he is) then McLeish should play him there. He won`t though because he stupidly stated right at the start of his tenure that he wouldn`t do that and now won`t want to look (even more) stupid by having to back on that. To be honest, and even though he had a 'mare last night, O'Donnell has done fine at right-back and deserves his place. Tierney isn't a right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: To be honest, and even though he had a 'mare last night, O'Donnell has done fine at right-back and deserves his place. Tierney isn't a right back. O`Donnell was awful last night (and to be fair he had zero protection from those around him) though he wasn`t alone in that. I`d prefer Tierney at RB but your opinion is different and perfectly valid. It`s bizarre that we can have 2 excellent LBs yet McLeish plays a system where neither of them play LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 To be honest, and even though he had a 'mare last night, O'Donnell has done fine at right-back and deserves his place. Tierney isn't a right back. Tierney is a full back. It's happened for years in Scotland teams when we haven't had a left back and a right footed player has played there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian George Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Complete shambles. I was totally against McCleish getting the job and he's making an arse of it. 3-5-2 formation is awfull . If we don't win our 2 remaining nation league games he should be punted before the qualifiers get underway. Oh and McDonald is one of the worst players I've ever seen in a Scotland shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Fully invested in Tierney getting dropped so I can watch Twitter go in to fucking meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munro7 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 A professional footballer who plays left back should be perfectly comfortable at right back. It’s the same position, just on the other side of the pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbineTon Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Anyone else think McLeish has an underlying Health issue? He seems to struggle to string sentences together and is very forgetful.. Not make a jibe in any way, shape, or form, but there's definitely something not quite right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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