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1 hour ago, DAVIDB69 said:

Has the top 6 order stayed the same for years,

Celtic, Rangers,

hibs, hearts, Aberdeen,

Dundee United then I assume Dundee
I’m wrong Motherwell ahead of Dundee

Rangers were last ahead of Celtic in 2015-16 (won Championship and Celtic were coasting Premiership).

Hearts were last ahead of Hibs in 2017-18.

Aberdeen were last ahead of Hibs in 2015-16 (still in Championship) and last ahead of both in 2004-05.

Dundee Utd trailed Kilmarnock, Dundee, Motherwell and St Mirren last season. They haven't surpassed any of the "big 5" this century.


EDIT: Interesting too look at the average Scottish League attendance per weekend since SPL expanded to 12 for 2000-01:

2000-01 ... 112,190
2001-02 ... 114,861
2002-03 ... 111,991
2003-04 ... 110,411
2004-05 ... 113,544
2005-06 ... 116,064
2006-07 ... 115,759
2007-08 ... 113,125
2008-09 ... 112,562
2009-10 ... 101,619
2010-11 ... 100,460
2011-12 ... 100,040
2012-13 ... 101,272
2013-14 ... 100,278
2014-15 ...    97,204
2015-16 ... 102,565
2016-17 ... 111,976
2017-18 ... 116,709
2018-19 ... 117,825
2019-20 ... 114,165 (to date)

Interesting how little it varied, until the recession... at which it fell by about 10-12k, but again varied little, despite Rangers restarting in SFL3... until just 3yr ago when it returned to previous level.

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  • 2 years later...

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  2021-22 league averages (to Wednesday 26th January):  
  SPFL     Lowland     East of Scotland


42,867     Rangers
37,856     Celtic

16,391     Hearts
13,879     Hibs

   9,875     Aberdeen
   6,998     Dundee Utd

   5,737     Dundee
   5,342     Motherwell
   4,309     St Mirren
   4,015     St Johnstone
   3,795     Kilmarnock
   3,717     Livingston
   3,646     Ross County

   3,085     Dunfermline
   2,884     Falkirk
   2,558     Partick
   1,691     Ayr
   1,653     Raith
   1,642     Inverness

   1,403     Greenock Morton
   1,367     Arbroath
   1,271     Hamilton
       970     Queen of the South

       734     Kelty
       684     Alloa
       673     Clyde
       650     Airdrie
       649     Queen's Park
       587     Cove
       571     Montrose
       554     Bonnyrigg
       533     Dumbarton
       533     Stirling Albion
       526     Peterhead
       525     Elgin
       511     East Fife
       457     Forfar
       425     Tranent
       402     Stenhousemuir

       375     Linlithgow
       364     Berwick
       340     Edinburgh City
       326     Cowdenbeath
       318     Bo'ness Utd
       306     Annan
       305     Albion Rovers
       285     Stranraer
       281     Armadale
       278     Musselburgh
       273     Penicuik
       272     Rangers B
       259     Spartans
       250     Celtic B

       213     Dunbar
       208     Dalbeattie
       201     Haddington
       200     Broxburn


       199     Gala
       182     Newtongrange
       172     Gretna
       156     Cumbernauld Colts

       156     Dundonald
       155     Whitburn
       154     East Stirlingshire
       153     East Kilbride

       152     Sauchie
       150     Caledonian Braves
       147     Hill of Beath
       145     Bo'ness Athletic
       145     Whitehill
       144     Camelon
       138     Jeanfield
       132     Glenrothes
       128     Syngenta
       126     Inverkeithing

       125     Vale of Leithen
       122     Stoneyburn
       117     Crossgates

       111     Dunipace
       105     Civil SS
       104     Tynecastle
       102     Bathgate
       101     Coldstream

          99     Blackburn
          98     LTHV

          97     Burntisland
          97     St Andrews
          95     Fauldhouse
          93     Dalkeith
          92     West Calder
          88     Uni of Stirling
          85     Tweedmouth
          83     Easthouses
          81     Arniston

          81     Leith
          79     Kirkcaldy & Dysart
          79     Livingston Utd
          77     Preston
          76     Broomhill

          75     Pumpherston
          73     Edinburgh Utd
          70     Rosyth
          70     Thornton
          69     Peebles
          68     Edinburgh Uni
          67     Lochore
          66     Lochgelly
          66     Oakley
          65     Kinnoull
          63     Craigroyston
          59     Luncarty
          55     Kennoway
          54     Hawick
          53     Edinburgh South
          52     Ormiston

          46     Edinburgh College
          46     Newburgh
          44     Stirling Uni EOS
          41     Heriot-Watt Uni



Note: several returns wanting from Celtic, East Kilbride, Edinburgh Uni and Rangers B

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13 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Note: several returns wanting from Celtic, East Kilbride, Edinburgh Uni and Rangers B
 

The missing games seem to be counted as part of the average attendance calculations. Which will bring them down a bit. Nothing's perfect when working with incomplete information of course.

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Just using Vale of Leithen as an example

Total of 1494 divided by 12 games = 125

but there was two missing games, in which case 1494/10 = 149

 

On 19/12/2021 at 21:24, Ruthrieston said:

The Vale missing gates are as follows:

Civil Service Strollers 98

Gals Fairydean 140

East Kilbride 85

Headcounts for the two missing games were provided in the Lowland League average attendance thread

Which gives a new total of 1719/12 = 143

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Revised to end March using same sources:


  2021-22 league averages (to Wednesday 30th March):  
  SPFL     Lowland     East of Scotland

51,287     Celtic
42,696     Rangers

16,546     Hearts
14,939     Hibs

11,396     Aberdeen
   7,057     Dundee Utd

   5,745     Dundee
   5,282     Motherwell
   4,543     St Mirren
   4,215     Kilmarnock
   4,091     St Johnstone
   3,994     Livingston
   3,667     Ross County
   3,285     Dunfermline

   3,073     Falkirk
   2,449     Partick
   2,016     Ayr
   1,739     Inverness
   1,616     Raith

   1,583     Arbroath
   1,512     Greenock Morton
   1,271     Hamilton
       999     Queen of the South

       758     Airdrie
       737     Alloa
       717     Kelty
       708     Clyde
       658     Cove
       652     Queen's Park
       633     Montrose
       574     Bonnyrigg
       544     Peterhead
       539     Elgin
       538     Dumbarton
       532     East Fife
       500     Stirling Albion
       470     Forfar
       404     Stenhousemuir
       403     Linlithgow
       402     Tranent


       380     Berwick
       365     Cowdenbeath
       345     Edinburgh City
       331     Rangers B*
       315     Annan
       290     Stranraer
       289     Bo'ness Utd
       280     Albion Rovers
       276     Armadale
       275     Musselburgh
       271     Penicuik

       249     Spartans
       233     Celtic B

       212     Haddington
       210     Dunbar


       196     Broxburn
       196     Dalbeattie
       188     Gala
       180     Gretna

       177     Inverkeithing
       173     Newtongrange
       164     Dundonald
       158     Glenrothes
       153     Bo'ness Athletic
       152     Whitburn

       150     Cumbernauld Colts
       150     East Stirlingshire
       148     Caledonian Braves
       148     East Kilbride

       148     Sauchie
       146     Inverkeithing
       140     Camelon
       139     Tynecastle
       138     Crossgates
       132     Jeanfield
       125     Syngenta

       124     Vale of Leithen
       111     Stoneyburn
       109     Civil Service Strollers
       108     Dunipace
       105     Bathgate
       104     Blackburn
       102     Dalkeith
       101     Tynecastle
       100     Coldstream
       100     LTHV


          99     St Andrews
          97     Burntisland
          96     Oakley
          95     Fauldhouse
          90     Tweedmouth

          89     University of Stirling
          88     West Calder
          86     Broomhill
          86     Preston
          84     Arniston
          83     Easthouses
          81     Leith
          78     Livingston Utd
          77     Kirkcaldy & Dysart
          74     Pumpherston
          74     Thornton
          73     Edinburgh United

          73     Edinburgh University
          73     Peebles
          70     Rosyth
          67     Lochgelly
          66     Kinnoull
          64     Lochore
          62     Craigroyston
          54     Edinburgh South
          54     Hawick
          54     Kennoway
          53     Luncarty
          51     Ormiston


          46     Newburgh
          45     Edinburgh College
          44     Stirling University EOS
          41     Heriot-Watt University



Note: several returns wanting from Celtic, East Kilbride, Edinburgh Uni and Rangers B
*regular matches at Dumbarton: including game v Celtic B at Ibrox = 843

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32 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:


       403     Linlithgow
       402     Tranent

       380     Berwick
       365     Cowdenbeath
       345     Edinburgh City
       331     Rangers B*
       315     Annan
       290     Stranraer
       289     Bo'ness Utd
       280     Albion Rovers
       276     Armadale

Third best EOS attendance playing in the bottom tier, Armadale really need to get out of there this season.

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So far this season:


58,671     Celtic
49,046     Rangers

18,454     Hearts
17,097     Hibs
15,349     Aberdeen

   8,647     Dundee Utd

   6,357     Motherwell
   6,350     Kilmarnock
   5,785     St Mirren
   5,161     St Johnstone
   4,653     Dundee
   4,641     Livingston
   4,336     Dunfermline
   4,059     Falkirk
   4,053     Ross County

   2,955     Partick
   2,180     Ayr Utd
   2,111     Inverness CT
   1,997     Raith
   1,943     Arbroath
   1,739     Greenock Morton

   1,514     Hamilton
   1,162     Airdrie
   1,126     Queen of the South
   1,066     Queen's Park
       959     Cove
       898     Bonnyrigg
       803     Kelty

       778     Alloa
       770     Clyde
       689     Montrose
       644     Dumbarton
       640     Stirling Albion
       582     Elgin
       571     Peterhead
       539     Edinburgh City
       538     Tranent
       522     Stenhousemuir
       511     Linlithgow
       499     East Fife
       491     OG Broomhill
       450     Forfar

       353     Berwick
       329     Annan
       328     Celtic B
       324     Stranraer
       315     Bo'ness Utd
       300     Spartans

       288     Albion Rovers
       277     Rangers B
       254     Haddington
       243     Hearts B
       241     Gala
       238     East Kilbride

       233     Armadale
       217     Cowdenbeath
       213     Dunbar

       192     Penicuik
       183     Cumbernauld Colts
       181     Sauchie
       176     Broxburn
       171     Musselburgh
       170     Whitburn
       165     Crossgates
       156     Dundonald

       151     Gretna
       147     East Stirlingshire
       143     Dalbeattie Star
       137     Caledonian Braves
       135     Civil Service Strollers

       135     Hill of Beath
       135     Oakley
       133     Newtongrange

       120     Edinburgh University
       120     University of Stirling

       117     Jeanfield
       115     Inverkeithing
       113     Bo'ness Athletic
       111     Glenrothes
       110     St Andrews
       108     Blackburn
       106     Harthill
       105     Camelon
       105     Dunipace
       101     Coldstream
       101     Preston
       100     Fauldhouse

          99     Tynecastle
          91     Arniston
          91     Syngenta
          90     Burntisland
          90     Stoneyburn
          89     LTHV
          88     Whitehill
          85     Kirkcaldy & Dysart
          84     Dalkeith
          82     Livingston Utd
          82     West Calder
          81     Leith
          79     Bathgate
          78     Rosyth
          77     Edinburgh South
          76     Thornton
          74     Tweedmouth
          74     Vale of Leithen
          68     Pumpherston
          67     Lochore
          66     Easthouses
          65     Kinnoull
          62     Peebles
          61     Edinburgh Utd
          59     Kennoway
          58     Newburgh
          56     Stirling University EOS
          53     Craigroyston

          49     Hawick
          49     Luncarty
          48     Lochgelly
          47     Heriot-Watt University
          46     Ormiston
          39     Edinburgh College



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6 hours ago, tongue_tied_danny said:

The Rangers and Celtic "colt" crowds are shite, considering we were continually told that they'd bring a huge cash boost to the league.

50,000 at 1st team games, so obviously they don't care about the future (if some youngsters make it through) and only care for the OF games, pathetic. Would have expected around 4-500 at home, with a good 100+ travelling away, seems that doesn't happen.What if they ever let them into the spfl with shit crowds like that.Laughable.

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On 14/12/2022 at 08:09, Andy groundhopper said:

50,000 at 1st team games, so obviously they don't care about the future (if some youngsters make it through) and only care for the OF games, pathetic. Would have expected around 4-500 at home, with a good 100+ travelling away, seems that doesn't happen.What if they ever let them into the spfl with shit crowds like that.Laughable.

Don't know where you're getting 4000/5000 from.

It's youth teams that don't even play at the home ground.

How would the new Rangers Colt/B team, (playing at Dumbarton's 2000 seater stadium) get 5000 in?

Better to aim the anger at the Lowland League blazers who allowed this farce.

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On 14/12/2022 at 08:09, Andy groundhopper said:

50,000 at 1st team games, so obviously they don't care about the future (if some youngsters make it through) and only care for the OF games, pathetic. Would have expected around 4-500 at home, with a good 100+ travelling away, seems that doesn't happen.What if they ever let them into the spfl with shit crowds like that.Laughable.

 

1 hour ago, PossilYM said:

Don't know where you're getting 4000/5000 from.

It's youth teams that don't even play at the home ground.

How would the new Rangers Colt/B team, (playing at Dumbarton's 2000 seater stadium) get 5000 in?

Better to aim the anger at the Lowland League blazers who allowed this farce.

4-500 isnt 4000/5000.

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47 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

 

4-500 isnt 4000/5000.

Correct slip of the keyboard.

To be fair, all the Glasgow B teams games are away so getting a 100 plus at Dumbarton or Airdrie seems okay.

Long gone are the days of a couple of thousand turning up at the average reserve game at Ibrox or Celtic Park when the big team was away.

Btw the cheeky chappies sell season tickets for the B teams and for a few extra add on the ladies team.

Obviously the B teams and Ladies are money losers all round.

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On 13/12/2022 at 22:55, HibeeJibee said:

So far this season:


58,671     Celtic
49,046     Rangers

18,454     Hearts
17,097     Hibs
15,349     Aberdeen

   8,647     Dundee Utd

   6,357     Motherwell
   6,350     Kilmarnock
   5,785     St Mirren
   5,161     St Johnstone
   4,653     Dundee
   4,641     Livingston
   4,336     Dunfermline
   4,059     Falkirk
   4,053     Ross County

   2,955     Partick
   2,180     Ayr Utd
   2,111     Inverness CT
   1,997     Raith
   1,943     Arbroath
   1,739     Greenock Morton

   1,514     Hamilton
   1,162     Airdrie
   1,126     Queen of the South
   1,066     Queen's Park
       959     Cove
       898     Bonnyrigg
       803     Kelty

       778     Alloa
       770     Clyde
       689     Montrose
       644     Dumbarton
       640     Stirling Albion
       582     Elgin
       571     Peterhead
       539     Edinburgh City
       538     Tranent
       522     Stenhousemuir
       511     Linlithgow
       499     East Fife
       491     OG Broomhill
       450     Forfar

       353     Berwick
       329     Annan
       328     Celtic B
       324     Stranraer
       315     Bo'ness Utd
       300     Spartans

       288     Albion Rovers
       277     Rangers B
       254     Haddington
       243     Hearts B
       241     Gala
       238     East Kilbride

       233     Armadale
       217     Cowdenbeath
       213     Dunbar

       192     Penicuik
       183     Cumbernauld Colts
       181     Sauchie
       176     Broxburn
       171     Musselburgh
       170     Whitburn
       165     Crossgates
       156     Dundonald

       151     Gretna
       147     East Stirlingshire
       143     Dalbeattie Star
       137     Caledonian Braves
       135     Civil Service Strollers

       135     Hill of Beath
       135     Oakley
       133     Newtongrange

       120     Edinburgh University
       120     University of Stirling

       117     Jeanfield
       115     Inverkeithing
       113     Bo'ness Athletic
       111     Glenrothes
       110     St Andrews
       108     Blackburn
       106     Harthill
       105     Camelon
       105     Dunipace
       101     Coldstream
       101     Preston
       100     Fauldhouse

          99     Tynecastle
          91     Arniston
          91     Syngenta
          90     Burntisland
          90     Stoneyburn
          89     LTHV
          88     Whitehill
          85     Kirkcaldy & Dysart
          84     Dalkeith
          82     Livingston Utd
          82     West Calder
          81     Leith
          79     Bathgate
          78     Rosyth
          77     Edinburgh South
          76     Thornton
          74     Tweedmouth
          74     Vale of Leithen
          68     Pumpherston
          67     Lochore
          66     Easthouses
          65     Kinnoull
          62     Peebles
          61     Edinburgh Utd
          59     Kennoway
          58     Newburgh
          56     Stirling University EOS
          53     Craigroyston

          49     Hawick
          49     Luncarty
          48     Lochgelly
          47     Heriot-Watt University
          46     Ormiston
          39     Edinburgh College



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Respect to a few teams there in the 500 to 1000 bracket.

Be interesting to see how the Wosfl compares.

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