Monkey Tennis Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: Isn't this the perfect example of the 'support your local team' idiocy? No idiocy is attached. That's why most clubs feature places in their names and why they all have home grounds they play half their matches at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: No idiocy is attached. That's why most clubs feature places in their names and why they all have home grounds they play half their matches at. St Mirren St Johnstone Rangers Celtic Hibernian even "Heart of Midlothian" named after a prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 2 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: St Mirren St Johnstone Rangers Celtic Hibernian even "Heart of Midlothian" named after a prison. Half of those do contain references to place. Add the rest of the clubs in Scotland if you see it helping your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Just now, Monkey Tennis said: Half of those do contain references to place. Add the rest of the clubs in Scotland if you see it helping you case. I don't have a case to make. We all know that 'supporting your local team' as a form of moral superiority is made up shite and for a Livi fan to bleat about it (which is where I came in) is absolute nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I don't have a case to make. Indeed. It could be no more evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 On 25/12/2018 at 07:58, The Grass Is Greener. said: young kids are brainwashed into this “Scottish football is shite” attitude by clueless armchair Super Sunday football dads. There's tonnes of this type of people in Inverness. Decking their kids out in United, Liverpool and Chelsea tops, taking them shopping on a Saturday afternoon. Getting to secondary school age never actually attended a football match in their life. Suppose, it's not as bad as decking them out in Old Firm tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 4 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: Isn't this the perfect example of the 'support your local team' idiocy? There are pubs in Livingston who have sent buses to Ibrox for a good decade before your club moved to the town. You make a fair point: there were supporters of Rangers living in Livingston, before Livi appeared in ‘95; these fans are ofcourse still entitled to travel to Ibrox and I don’t expect them to change to “support their local team” (defined as closest to where they currently reside). These people will be 40+, right? It saddens me is that there are young people who, without question, will still travel to Ibrox yet there is a team on their doorstep. I wonder if there will ever be a point where people born in Livi will automatically support Livi... Majority of the time it’s following family ties not geography so, depressingly, I’d suggest it will likely be generations of us breeding profusely/people new to football to build a support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 3 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: St Mirren St Johnstone Rangers Celtic Hibernian even "Heart of Midlothian" named after a prison. Albion Rovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, crispy said: Majority of the time it’s following family ties not geography so, depressing No thoughts or sympathy for the community east of London Road? The family ties that you tore asunder when the previous iteration of yourclub uprooted itself? Probably not. It's all about the hoary old 'support the local team' trope...even if we can't define it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Glenconner said: Albion Rovers Hello buddy! Good point. Are you a Motherwell fan today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Hello buddy! Good point. Are you a Motherwell fan today? Still following the Juniors, Brother. £14 gets you admission, raffle, programme, two pie and bovrils. Any you can wear any football shirt you like. And bring the dug with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 3 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: St Mirren St Johnstone Rangers Celtic Hibernian even "Heart of Midlothian" named after a prison. Raith Rovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 Raith Rovers Raith is a place name albeit historic. Historic name for an area south of Loch Gelly to Kirkcaldy itself. There was a battle of Raith too in 596 between the Angles & an alliance of Britons, Scots & Picts. St Johnstone is in a similar vein also as the old name of Perth was St John's Toun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raith%2C_Fife?wprov=sfla1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: No thoughts or sympathy for the community east of London Road? The family ties that you tore asunder when the previous iteration of yourclub uprooted itself? Probably not. It's all about the hoary old 'support the local team' trope...even if we can't define it. I’d be gutted if my club moved 16 miles and was renamed (the latter seems to be the main issue). I have sympathy for anyone in that situation. Clyde moved 10 miles, Aberdeen moving 7 miles, so I don’t think distance alone is the problem... I’m struggling to see the relation to my previous post though. I define “the local team” as the closest team to where someone currently resides. I don’t think people have to support the closest team to their house since that could change multiple times. Once you have ‘your team’ I personally think you stick with it although people are entitled to change I suppose. I think the factors influencing how someone gets a team are interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, crispy said: I think the factors influencing how someone gets a team are interesting. They are, of course. Whenever there's been some sot of 'do you support your local team' poll on P&B the outcomes have almost always been in favour of those who don't. Only about 40% pass the geography test. Almost always those who use the 'support your local team' trope mean 'Don't support either cheek'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: They are, of course. Whenever there's been some sot of 'do you support your local team' poll on P&B the outcomes have almost always been in favour of those who don't. Only about 40% pass the geography test. Almost always those who use the 'support your local team' trope mean 'Don't support either cheek'. It’s a tangled web! We’ll save the definition, if there is one, of a ‘plastic club’ for another thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, crispy said: It’s a tangled web! We’ll save the definition, if there is one, of a ‘plastic club’ for another thread Oh I think we both know who 'the plastics' are.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Oh I think we both know who 'the plastics' are.... I think it’s some the output of some sort of function involving multiple parameters: date of founding; distance between current stadium and previous (multiples?); having a 100% synthetic pitch; dramatic investment; and merger or renaming? Would a club be ‘plastic’ if formed tomorrow? If Hearts had moved out to Hermiston or Millerhill would they be plastic? If Livi had hybrid (which %?) would it be fine? I need to get a life. It’s Boxing Day ffs. PS. Man City, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceboy Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 On 20/10/2018 at 15:48, tree house tam said: Football is a sport. What the f**k has religion got to do with sport? Tam, relax... you'll blow a wee gasket son. Football, all around the world, rose as a part of the local cultures. Be that in Argentina, Turkey, Italy or Scotland. Fans align themselves politically, religiously and geographically. Some fans don't do any of that. Instead, they whine about their teams always being cheated when Boca, Galatasaray, Juve or Celtic pump them. Ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 10 hours ago, Glenconner said: Albion Rovers Yes, you found another one. Well done. Still a long way short of remotely challenging what I said about the names of "most" clubs carrying a reference to place though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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