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2 hours ago, A Believer said:
14 hours ago, MENTALFATHER79 said:
Johnny Harvey could be back next season as he is on Gardening leave.   Surely this is utter Rubbish what I am hearing.

It is indeed utter rubbish.

On behalf of all comedy loving folk out there ……...GET HIM BACK .

Just for the after match interviews .

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Strangely, I have a different perspective on this now.....! 

Think the HL/LL playoff winners should go up automatically replacing Div 2 10th place, AND the playoff losers should playoff again against Div 2 9th place team. 

I say this mainly from the perspective of making the big drop much less traumatic. Honest, Guv. 

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Who are all Scottish lower league clubs. I'm no having it, if that's true then it's madness. Gloryhunting with Raith instead of your home town team
 
Arbroath is twice the size of Forfar and Montrose and three times the size of Brechin, there'll be zero Arbroath supporters in they towns
 
99% of people support lower league teams cause they've got a connection to the town

There will be a few Arbroath fans in each of those other towns - also unlike Arbroath, both Raith & Dunfermline were in the SPL and playing in cup finals

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So here we are, stuck in another vacuum in limbo-land... Another crap season over, and all we get from the Chairman is yet more silence. There's 11 days until he steps down. That just seems crazy to me: he needs to go NOW. There's only about a couple of months before competition starts again, and there is so much that needs to be done:

  • Sort out the board shenanigans (I'm including getting JB installed as chairman asap under this, and getting more directors on board, rather than the daft plans of the SC to replace them all, which will just make things much worse and use up more valuable time, while also not guaranteeing that things will get better.
  • Get the board to start communicating with the shareholders and fans asap, and let's make it a two way thing. A lot of the pish on here and on other social media arises because people have little or no real understanding of what's going on at the club, and how it operates.
  • Get a commercial director on board. I disagree with JB here, I think we need someone with the responsibility and authority to oversee the commercial side of things. It's a big job, and needs someone with drive and determination, rather than sharing the role among the directors.
  • Start re-integrating the club with the community: if local people and businesses feel a tie with the club, they are more likely to stump up a few quid through buying tickets and merchandise, and/or sponsorship. I would also include under this explaining to people (a) that we need help, and (b) how they can help out by volunteering to sell programmes, to sell refreshments (the chip van may not be back next year), to drive the reserve team bus etc. And yes, we should keep the reserves, because that shows we're supporting younger local players.
  • Decide on the management team (are Brownlie and Yano staying?). FWIW I think they should go.
  • Sort out the team by getting a squad together (FWIW they were saying on the radio on Saturday that BSC get some good young loan players from St Johnstone, so we'll need to act sharpish) we need a mix of young and old heads. The parachute payment needs to be used wisely.

FWIW I would also be knocking on Pat Nevin's door and asking him to become an ambassador for the club, and let him more or less define what that means (remembering that he was Chief Exec at Motherwell for a while, so he knows about running a football club that is in turmoil!) He offered to get involved at the anniversary dinner a couple of years ago, but nothing's been done about it, as far as I can tell. (We should also have got Jim Jeffreys involved in some way, before he went off to Edinburgh City.) We need to start seizing great opportunities like this, rather than letting them pass us by.

I'm sure this list is incomplete, but time is of the esssence. We need to start NOW, not wait another couple of weeks, until Len moves aside. We've got to start looking forward, rather than back. otherwise we'll end up in mid-table mediocrity in the LL, and I don't believe any Berwick supporter wants that.

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40 minutes ago, Alpha Gordini said:

So here we are, stuck in another vacuum in limbo-land... Another crap season over, and all we get from the Chairman is yet more silence. There's 11 days until he steps down. That just seems crazy to me: he needs to go NOW. There's only about a couple of months before competition starts again, and there is so much that needs to be done:

  • Sort out the board shenanigans (I'm including getting JB installed as chairman asap under this, and getting more directors on board, rather than the daft plans of the SC to replace them all, which will just make things much worse and use up more valuable time, while also not guaranteeing that things will get better.
  • Get the board to start communicating with the shareholders and fans asap, and let's make it a two way thing. A lot of the pish on here and on other social media arises because people have little or no real understanding of what's going on at the club, and how it operates.
  • Get a commercial director on board. I disagree with JB here, I think we need someone with the responsibility and authority to oversee the commercial side of things. It's a big job, and needs someone with drive and determination, rather than sharing the role among the directors.
  • Start re-integrating the club with the community: if local people and businesses feel a tie with the club, they are more likely to stump up a few quid through buying tickets and merchandise, and/or sponsorship. I would also include under this explaining to people (a) that we need help, and (b) how they can help out by volunteering to sell programmes, to sell refreshments (the chip van may not be back next year), to drive the reserve team bus etc. And yes, we should keep the reserves, because that shows we're supporting younger local players.
  • Decide on the management team (are Brownlie and Yano staying?). FWIW I think they should go.
  • Sort out the team by getting a squad together (FWIW they were saying on the radio on Saturday that BSC get some good young loan players from St Johnstone, so we'll need to act sharpish) we need a mix of young and old heads. The parachute payment needs to be used wisely.

FWIW I would also be knocking on Pat Nevin's door and asking him to become an ambassador for the club, and let him more or less define what that means (remembering that he was Chief Exec at Motherwell for a while, so he knows about running a football club that is in turmoil!) He offered to get involved at the anniversary dinner a couple of years ago, but nothing's been done about it, as far as I can tell. (We should also have got Jim Jeffreys involved in some way, before he went off to Edinburgh City.) We need to start seizing great opportunities like this, rather than letting them pass us by.

I'm sure this list is incomplete, but time is of the esssence. We need to start NOW, not wait another couple of weeks, until Len moves aside. We've got to start looking forward, rather than back. otherwise we'll end up in mid-table mediocrity in the LL, and I don't believe any Berwick supporter wants that.

Another load of pish from a trust supporter!

You are blinkered about Bell, he's already portraying himself as the chairman, which shows the respect he has for the current incumbent and authority of office.

No one in their right mind would back this attention grabbing clown, he's like a rat up a drainpipe when there are TV interviews to be had, remember JH was and still is,  his man, so lets have a new start, the SC are right in attracting new blood, and as they are majority shareholders, they have the ultimate say.

Someone said on this board that Walla and Lennie would be a piece of pish to remove, I don't think that is entirely right, but hopefully, whoever they introduce have the wherewithal to galvanise and get the club going in the right direction.

One worry is that I've heard that the best the SC have came up with is Mark Heston, the taxi driver, a relatively new member of the SC,  now call me cynical, but a cabbie is hardly gonna cut the mustard as the face of the supporters club with a seat on the board, a big step backwards I'm afraid.

I see the vultures are circling, each vying for a chance to grab control, tempers are getting frayed and rightly so, whoever takes this on, faces an almighty challenge, whilst there are many who think the club is dead and gone, others with shares realise they are beyond worthless, then there are the diehard fans who are passionate about the club and now realise the magnitude of the shambles that has been played out in front of them. A new start is the only option and time is ticking away, the club need to act fast to give the manager, whoever it may be, a decent chance to build his squad for the new season, that is only if a new board see the club as viable, otherwise, shut the door and switch off the lights, Goodnight Vienna.

 

 

 

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I find it amazing watching Berwick over the years with how much infighting there is with the board, trust, supporters etc. How can such a small club get it so badly wrong? Why isn't everyone pulling in the one direction? It can't be a coincidence you ended up so poor on the park with all the shenanigans going on off it.

For a club with 300-400 core support It just seems rather mental from the outside looking in.

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Agree with this, as an outsider the behind the scenes divisions at Berwick seem, charitably, totally deranged.

Club will keep going downwards until it's resolved.

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8 minutes ago, Neilly said:

I find it amazing watching Berwick over the years with how much infighting there is with the board, trust, supporters etc. How can such a small club get it so badly wrong? Why isn't everyone pulling in the one direction? It can't be a coincidence you ended up so poor on the park with all the shenanigans going on off it.

For a club with 300-400 core support It just seems rather mental from the outside looking in.

Agreed

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From the view down in the East of England.

WTF ?? We were condemned long before Saturday. realisation that this was a long time coming, and even with the well wishes of other clubs, it was fully deserved.

So dissection  complete, after arguably the worst season in history what are we doing .......................... Still arguing. 

Other Lowland leagues must think its going to be a breeze if we are a benchmark for League 2

Jesus guys Trust, Supporters Club, Board. you need your heads banging together, its like a bunch of kids in the playground.

If this is a prelude to season 19/20, is there room in the East of Scotland for us???

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21 minutes ago, Neilly said:

I find it amazing watching Berwick over the years with how much infighting there is with the board, trust, supporters etc. How can such a small club get it so badly wrong? Why isn't everyone pulling in the one direction? It can't be a coincidence you ended up so poor on the park with all the shenanigans going on off it.

For a club with 300-400 core support It just seems rather mental from the outside looking in.

To be honest it went badly wrong for BRFC when the trust idea of club ownership launched, it produced a faction under Bell who wanted and still wants to take full control of the club, SC and ST buying shares has been the downfall, although they will not admit it, dissect the board and you will realise how the clash of opinions and personalities cannot take the club forward, Bell has in his mind set to where he wants to take the club and will not change, there is lack of investment on the playing squad, no wonder there is infighting, couple that with pish communications and you will understand it is a full blown royal shambles.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Ducket Lodger said:

To be honest it went badly wrong for BRFC when the trust idea of club ownership launched, it produced a faction under Bell who wanted and still wants to take full control of the club, SC and ST buying shares has been the downfall, although they will not admit it, dissect the board and you will realise how the clash of opinions and personalities cannot take the club forward, Bell has in his mind set to where he wants to take the club and will not change, there is lack of investment on the playing squad, no wonder there is infighting, couple that with pish communications and you will understand it is a full blown royal shambles.

 

 

Your lack of irony is astonishing 

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1 hour ago, Ducket Lodger said:

Another load of pish from a trust supporter!

One worry is that I've heard that the best the SC have came up with is Mark Heston, the taxi driver, a relatively new member of the SC,  now call me cynical, but a cabbie is hardly gonna cut the mustard as the face of the supporters club with a seat on the board, a big step backwards I'm afraid.

To quote yourself old bean, thats a load of pish.

It doesnt matter what his day job is so long as he's the best person for the role, if he is or isnt is a totally seperate issue, but for you to denigrate him based solely on how he makes a living makes you out to be an egotistical dickhead. Sorry old chap but thats how you've come across.

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Sorry Jason, I take your point I should have said Mark Heston WTF!

I stand corrected and apologise to all the cabbies out there!

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1 hour ago, Ducket Lodger said:

Another load of pish from a trust supporter!

Wrong! I'm not a member of the SC or the Trust. I do have shares in the club, though, and I do listen to what people say (whether I like and/or agree with them or not) and think about it before coming to an informed opinion.

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16 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 


Surely Cowdenbeath aren't having to compete with EF/Raith etc when it comes to attracting fans from Cowdenbeath? Know plenty of folk from Arbroath who support the OF, few that support Aberdeen/Dundee and United but never known anyone from Arbroath that would support Forfar, Brechin or Montrose emoji23.png

 

Aye, if they don't support Arbroath they're hardly going to support one of the other 3! :lol:

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So who’s going to be manager to take Berwick into the lowland league? 

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We need get our house in order, take stock and have a big reality check about our situation.  In that, we need to realise there is absolutely no chance of us going up next season, given what our 'new rivals' are doing. Kelty have already given themselves what some are calling a Championship quality team, while we currently have no permanent manager, eight players of LL quality (or lower) and five board members who have been asked by the club's biggest shareholder to consider their positions. To blow the parachute payment money (£40,000 is it?) on trying to compete with the likes of Kelty Hearts and East Kilbride would be idiocy of the highest order.

If we do have this ambitionless couple of years, what I feel is vitally important in that time is to re-engage and rebuild a completely fractured relationship with the local community and help to make it a club that people can be proud of.  The 'local laddie' argument did my head in while we were in SPFL2 - folk within the town who never go to BRFC games saying there were plenty local players good enough to compete at that level. They simply weren't.

Looking at it now though, I don't think we can comfortably say that and I think we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we didn't seriously consider how we go about our operations and considering moving training etc closer to home (although I'm aware facilities in Berwick are pish). Competition for players in the Edinburgh area has heightened significantly and with us not being able to blow fellow LL clubs out of the water financially, players are more likely to opt for a team in Edinburgh.

Personally, over the next couple of years, I'd much rather see a Berwick side with 2 or 3 local players, finishing top half/mid table and the club doing more in the community than a side still based out of Edinburgh, blowing a tonne of cash and trying, but failing, to win promotion due being up against teams with superior quality and budgets.

With every setback, there is an opportunity. This presents exactly that and it'll be interesting to see what happens...

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1 hour ago, OnTheDucketFence said:

We need get our house in order, take stock and have a big reality check about our situation.  In that, we need to realise there is absolutely no chance of us going up next season, given what our 'new rivals' are doing. Kelty have already given themselves what some are calling a Championship quality team, while we currently have no permanent manager, eight players of LL quality (or lower) and five board members who have been asked by the club's biggest shareholder to consider their positions. To blow the parachute payment money (£40,000 is it?) on trying to compete with the likes of Kelty Hearts and East Kilbride would be idiocy of the highest order.

If we do have this ambitionless couple of years, what I feel is vitally important in that time is to re-engage and rebuild a completely fractured relationship with the local community and help to make it a club that people can be proud of.  The 'local laddie' argument did my head in while we were in SPFL2 - folk within the town who never go to BRFC games saying there were plenty local players good enough to compete at that level. They simply weren't.

Looking at it now though, I don't think we can comfortably say that and I think we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we didn't seriously consider how we go about our operations and considering moving training etc closer to home (although I'm aware facilities in Berwick are pish). Competition for players in the Edinburgh area has heightened significantly and with us not being able to blow fellow LL clubs out of the water financially, players are more likely to opt for a team in Edinburgh.

Personally, over the next couple of years, I'd much rather see a Berwick side with 2 or 3 local players, finishing top half/mid table and the club doing more in the community than a side still based out of Edinburgh, blowing a tonne of cash and trying, but failing, to win promotion due being up against teams with superior quality and budgets.

With every setback, there is an opportunity. This presents exactly that and it'll be interesting to see what happens...

Good luck. The parachute payment doesn't even cover what Kelty pay their manager. Never mind the squad.

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6 hours ago, Neilly said:

I find it amazing watching Berwick over the years with how much infighting there is with the board, trust, supporters etc. How can such a small club get it so badly wrong? Why isn't everyone pulling in the one direction? It can't be a coincidence you ended up so poor on the park with all the shenanigans going on off it.

For a club with 300-400 core support It just seems rather mental from the outside looking in.

Just a normal day at Shielfield 

 

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Right I'm going out on a limb here and given my lack of engagement in recent years for various reasons both personal and utter disillusion I'm probably the last person who should be doing this but hey ho.

Virtually every club seems to have a supporters Facebook group but we don't outwith the official club one, and the Supporters Club and Trust ones.  To that end I have created an independent group which obviously it would be good if people could contribute to it (there's also an affiliated Twitter).

The idea will be to move away from just discussing where we are now and where we are going, clearly PnB provides a forum for that, but also to give fans a chance to share memories - good and bad, updates on ex-players,  and anything else of interest to the Berwick fan.  As we enter a new era with no idea what lies ahead it will also be a chance to look at very unfamiliar opposition and to share experience and dare I say it adventure of the next season.  

Anyway, give it a go or don't, it can be found https://www.facebook.com/groups/428696671241007/

 

Yeah, not the greatest name, but it made sense to me

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