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14 minutes ago, Brazilianlex said:

Aye

cove brought about 30 boys last year who were all “committee” apparently.

:lol: I’ve done this myself tbh

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Given the signings Kelty are making. I'd probably bank that parachute payment and wait it out for 2020/21 to try to get back into the league.

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Any update on who won the end of season awards? Only one who's been consistent is Geoff Allan and his absolutely incredible smokey and chips.

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35 minutes ago, Sensible Soccer said:

 

First ever post on here and probably my only one.

I saw my first game at Shielfield in 1963 when I was six years old and have been a supporter ever since through the good times and the bad. Like a lot of posters, I agree that relegation was an entirely avoidable accident waiting to happen. The last few seasons have shown the need for change but lack of competitiveness on an off the pitch, the absence of strategic leadership and well-documented ongoing power struggles has got us into this position.

 

A number of posters and fans are asking for complete regime change. Fine - but given our current predicament there are a number of questions that need to be asked and answered.

 

  1. Who should this be?
  2. Are there/could there be parties interested in taking over? If so, who are they and what would be their motives for taking on a small club playing in the Lowland League?
  3. If there are potential investors out there, would this ensure a sustainable future for the club that would allow it to thrive and not just (barely) survive as seems to be the case at the moment?

 

In his post, John Bell (who I’ve never met), rightly highlights the need for sustainability and the dangers of some potential investors having less than honourable intentions. In relation to the latter point, some of us are old enough to remember the time when some previous Board members/investors were looking to move the club to Gala. I can still remember joining in the chants of ‘We’re not going to Gala’. On another occasion some individuals were plotting for us to become ‘East Lothian Rangers’. They presumably recognised that even back then, geographical and demographic realities were limiting factors on having a team based in Berwick and were doubtless attracted by the franchise model of ownership - remember what happened to Meadowbank anyone? We can also hark back to the asset stripping when the Deans consortium were running the club and decided to sell up. This was followed by the Alan Bowes takeover when we nearly went out of business (an even darker period in the club’s history than today I would argue).

 

Amidst our justifiable anger and sorrow, the bottom line is that we are and where we are. Clearly, there needs to be a new business model that reflects the club’s present circumstances but more importantly ensures the club has a sustainable future. This requires clarity of purpose from whoever is on the Board. Doing more of the same hasn’t and won’t work going forward. Equally, singing ‘sack the Board’ and slagging off individuals might be cathartic for us fans but ultimately we need real solutions and leadership rather than just the venting  of spleen to take the club forward. We know what the problems are. We now need leadership and solutions rooted in reality if we are to have a sustainable future and rebuild a team that we can be proud of.

 

A good post sir and shame if will be your only foray here.

You are right to take a step back & evaluate & asses  the situation objectively. I have no idea regards your board's individual skills and gaps  are but it would make sense they sit and map that put & look to recruit directors based on addressing those gaps & carrying out their due diligence on any prospective candidates.

I have said before from the outside key positives namely good facilities at Shielfield and a core support despite an awful season above a number in L2. The remote aspect is also a plus Berwick & Cowdenbeath have almost exactly the same populations, but with Cowdenbeath  they have to compete with Dunfermline &  Raith Rovers teams wit populations 4/5 times higher with better facilities playing at a higher level factor also in East Fife circa 25 minutes away. Berwick have more of a captive audience something to build on surely.

The key will be focusing on the key strategic areas that will bring most effect, again apologies looking from the outside I have no idea what the engagement is like  with the towns people and businesses  but I would have though pivotal area. I can think of a number areas you could develop, but I guess as with most clubs you then need people on the ground to implement, I guess comes back round to building/developing local engagement.

There are a number of clubs out there of similar stature it is worth Berwick going out & having a look at what they are doing and are there any quick wins/ideas they can steal.

I can only imagine how everyone around the club is feeling at the moment we only had the threat hanging twice which was bad enough not the final reality, but that has made us look at things through a different lens in certain areas.

I wish you all the very best, a lot of work to be done and likely a fair amount of change too which is never easy or pain free but if enough around the club can get on board  and stay the distance I really think you can make your way back.

 

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1 hour ago, Berwick86 said:

Any update on who won the end of season awards? Only one who's been consistent is Geoff Allan and his absolutely incredible smokey and chips.

The smokey and chips will be a sad loss to Scottish league football, and one of the main reasons why both myself and my blind mate who visited Berwick a few months ago will miss our hoped-for return! RIP Smokey

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2 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

I think it's probably an element of the unknown too. I've had a few fans saying that we'll be playing on glorified public parks but that simply is not the case. Every club except Vale has a stand... every club except Civil Service, Vale and Whitehill have lights. (Vale do have a covered terrace incidentally). It will be a comedown for the board discovering there isn't always a directors box, tbf.

Yes of the ones I’ve visited Vale will probably offer the least in terms of good facilities and a decent town centre. Although Civil Service is quite basic ground wise,  you do have the day out in Edinburgh for those who like to partake in liquid refreshment/good food as oppose to dog burger and/or enjoy a spot of shopping/sight seeing. Whitehill is a  better ground than Vale but situated in the middle of nowhere with little in Rosewell itself. So there are definitely some less rewarding days out as you’d expect.

On the plus side though as agreed, there’s still Gretna and Galashiels which are ok, Falkirk, Stirling, Spartans, Annan and other opportunities for decent trips. So it’s hardly railed off park pitches every week. It’s a mixture but at least there’s no 225+ mile treks and for me personally I prefer the 2 rather than 4 game opposition format.

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10 minutes ago, Borderer said:

Whitehill is a  better ground than Vale but situated in the middle of nowhere with little in Rosewell itself. So there are definitely some less rewarding days out as you’d expect.

 

Bit harsh there maybe not a lot in Rosewell itself but ask a Shire,Kelty or any fan at that if they enjoyed the social club being INSIDE the ground at Whitehill  ? 

Its maybe all irrelevant anyways as we still don't know what league we will be playing in next season. 

 

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4 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:

Bit harsh there maybe not a lot in Rosewell itself but ask a Shire,Kelty or any fan at that if they enjoyed the social club being INSIDE the ground at Whitehill  ? 

Its maybe all irrelevant anyways as we still don't know what league we will be playing in next season. 

 

If he thinks Rosewell is bad wait until he sees the bustling thoroughfare that is Kelty Main street:)

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Everybody knows the San Fergie is the best awayday in the league!

Spoiler

plus a guaranteed 3 points :whistle

Spoiler

(cheers in advance Newky for the red dot :lol: )

 

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Rosewell middle of nowhere? 10 minutes off two stops on the Borders Railway, three buses an hour into the capital city nine miles away. Six local derbies within a ten minute drive. The isolation must be overwhelming compared to the metropolitan hub 60 miles down the A1.

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A good post sir and shame if will be your only foray here.
You are right to take a step back & evaluate & asses  the situation objectively. I have no idea regards your board's individual skills and gaps  are but it would make sense they sit and map that put & look to recruit directors based on addressing those gaps & carrying out their due diligence on any prospective candidates.
I have said before from the outside key positives namely good facilities at Shielfield and a core support despite an awful season above a number in L2. The remote aspect is also a plus Berwick & Cowdenbeath have almost exactly the same populations, but with Cowdenbeath  they have to compete with Dunfermline &  Raith Rovers teams wit populations 4/5 times higher with better facilities playing at a higher level factor also in East Fife circa 25 minutes away. Berwick have more of a captive audience something to build on surely.
The key will be focusing on the key strategic areas that will bring most effect, again apologies looking from the outside I have no idea what the engagement is like  with the towns people and businesses  but I would have though pivotal area. I can think of a number areas you could develop, but I guess as with most clubs you then need people on the ground to implement, I guess comes back round to building/developing local engagement.
There are a number of clubs out there of similar stature it is worth Berwick going out & having a look at what they are doing and are there any quick wins/ideas they can steal.
I can only imagine how everyone around the club is feeling at the moment we only had the threat hanging twice which was bad enough not the final reality, but that has made us look at things through a different lens in certain areas.
I wish you all the very best, a lot of work to be done and likely a fair amount of change too which is never easy or pain free but if enough around the club can get on board  and stay the distance I really think you can make your way back.
 


Surely Cowdenbeath aren't having to compete with EF/Raith etc when it comes to attracting fans from Cowdenbeath? Know plenty of folk from Arbroath who support the OF, few that support Aberdeen/Dundee and United but never known anyone from Arbroath that would support Forfar, Brechin or Montrose

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Johnny Harvey could be back next season as he is on Gardening leave.   Surely this is utter Rubbish what I am hearing.
It is indeed utter rubbish.

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Surely Cowdenbeath aren't having to compete with EF/Raith etc when it comes to attracting fans from Cowdenbeath? Know plenty of folk from Arbroath who support the OF, few that support Aberdeen/Dundee and United but never known anyone from Arbroath that would support Forfar, Brechin or Montrose

Who are all similar small part time clubs to Arbroath - not full time clubs from much larger towns

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6 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 


Surely Cowdenbeath aren't having to compete with EF/Raith etc when it comes to attracting fans from Cowdenbeath? Know plenty of folk from Arbroath who support the OF, few that support Aberdeen/Dundee and United but never known anyone from Arbroath that would support Forfar, Brechin or Montrose emoji23.png

 

Yes that is reality Dunfermline 6 miles away with a  relatively more prolific contemporary history , and better facilities, the same distance to a lesser extent Raith, don't forget also a very buoyant Kelty Hearts some 2 miles away. We of course suffer from the OF drain too. Not a winge just  a realistic background commentary.

PS Many congrats on your own promotion success it would be great to see you replicate Alloa"s performance at that level and show what part time clubs can achieve with ambition & organisation.

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19 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 


Surely Cowdenbeath aren't having to compete with EF/Raith etc when it comes to attracting fans from Cowdenbeath? Know plenty of folk from Arbroath who support the OF, few that support Aberdeen/Dundee and United but never known anyone from Arbroath that would support Forfar, Brechin or Montrose emoji23.png

 

Plenty of Dunfermline supporters in Cowdenbeath, sadly. Some even supported Cowden in their youth. Lots of Hearts and Hibs fans as well in nearby towns and villages. Some Raith fans as well.

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There's a lot of BS on here about JB, which is completely unfounded. It's clear that a lot of people don't understand how the board of a company operates. He can't unilaterally make decisions about anything except trifling matters. It all goes to the board for a vote, before action is taken. So, for example, it wasn't JB's decision about when JH got the boot, it was the board's. JB may have backed keeping him on, but so did the majority of the board. Similarly, JB didn't appoint him, the board did.
The thing that the club has mostly been lacking is leadership from the chairman, who has never articulated any vision for the future of the club in his time in charge. That, coupled with a board that mostly comprised apathetic, and/or lazy members, has led us to where we are now.
To give JB his due, at least he has put forward a vision to try and make BRFC a sustainable club going forward. And that's what it was: "a vision", not something set in stone, but laying out ideas for taking the club forward, and he has said that he's open to adjusting and amending it, so if people have got better ideas he's open to discussing them. The vision when it gers firmed up into a plan would have to be approved by the board.  Talking of whom, I think it's also a crying shame that GM resigned from the board too. From the outside, these were the only two board members who appeared to be giving any consideration to the club's future.
I don't think the SC's call for an EGM to oust the board makes sense at this point. It looks like they want to control what goes on (again) and we've seen how that's turned out in recent seasons. If there is an EGM, I hope that the club properly informs everyone on here who owns shares in the club (like me) about the meeting, and makes sure that we are told about how we can vote, either in person, or by proxy.
I think [mention=9552]Redcar[/mention] is right in what he says about better support for Robbie Horn would (probably) have meant that we didn't end up where we are now. However, I'm not besties with JB, in case anyone thinks I am, and I'm not JB either!
Outstanding post, on every point; Board protocols, that Mr Bell has a sustainable and viable plan and that GM's intended departure is a very very bad thing. The hard thing will be recruiting Directors with capacity and capability to own and drive each element of the strategy. Directors that live by a version of JFK's 'ask not' speech; 'ask not what your club can do for you—ask what you can do for your club”

The SC and ST have bought into the strategy GM explained a few months ago at the joint boards meeting. I believe a restructured board under JB, with SC and ST all sharing that common strategic vision, gives us the best shot of a swift return to SPFL2.

I'm not JB either, however may be Spartacus...

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Who are all similar small part time clubs to Arbroath - not full time clubs from much larger towns

 

Who are all Scottish lower league clubs. I'm no having it, if that's true then it's madness. Gloryhunting with Raith instead of your home town team

 

Arbroath is twice the size of Forfar and Montrose and three times the size of Brechin, there'll be zero Arbroath supporters in they towns

 

99% of people support lower league teams cause they've got a connection to the town

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Plenty of Dunfermline supporters in Cowdenbeath, sadly. Some even supported Cowden in their youth. Some Raith fans as well.


I'm guessing that's because of family ties etc which will affect every club. Don't think it is Cowdenbeaths fault

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Plenty of Dunfermline supporters in Cowdenbeath, sadly. Some even supported Cowden in their youth. Lots of Hearts and Hibs fans as well in nearby towns and villages. Some Raith fans as well.


Always said geography works against you lads, lose fans to Glasgow, Edinburgh and Dundee teams like all of Fife but you’re then sandwiched between the Rovers and Dunfermline which I guess limits your ability to attract fans from the towns and villages outside Cowdenbeath and potentially Kelty and Hill of Beath moving up the divisions could stop you attracting fans from those two. Your board and fans do well but attracting new fans isn’t easy. The one bonus you have is the location of Central Park.

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Commiserations to Berwick Rangers, while I always favour the HL/LL as that’s what the pyramid needs it’s never nice to be relegated and lose your league status. Hopefully you have a chance to bounce back but I think the Lowland league will improve each season with the Juniors starting to join so hopefully it will soften the blow. Best of luck for next season.

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