Fergie1 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 8 hours ago, sammyreidloyal said: If Clyde were affected by say Peterhead getting three points awarded and it meant they lost the league, there would be holy hell to pay..being Berwick however, just saying. It is not unfortunate Mr snake, it IS unfair AND unprecedented. I’m sorry mate I am only stating facts from what I have read in the FIFA(the governing body of football in case you where unaware) disciplinary code. Something which I think every1 else seems to be ignoring. Hence the reason why I can’t really feel hard done by, more unfortunate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie1 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 We have 4 huge games left, that should be our focus nothing else. What will be will be on Friday but it’s something I am not going to get worked up or excited about as I can’t see it changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PELE Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 If Berwick go down, sue Clyde for damages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Gordini Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I think you have to give the 3 points to the opposition. Otherwise you can end up with the following situation: Imagine that the points tallies are the same as they are now, so Albion are 1 point ahead of us. And imagine that the head to head is this Saturday, and it's the last game of the season. If you don't have the sanction of awarding 3 points to the side that plays by the rules, Albion could deliberately decide to field an ineligible player. So you *have* to give the points to the team that was wronged, otherwise you have a situation that effectively rewards cheating. The same situation could happen at the top of the table, or in the last play-off place too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A12A1 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I think you have to give the 3 points to the opposition. Otherwise you can end up with the following situation: Imagine that the points tallies are the same as they are now, so Albion are 1 point ahead of us. And imagine that the head to head is this Saturday, and it's the last game of the season. If you don't have the sanction of awarding 3 points to the side that plays by the rules, Albion could deliberately decide to field an ineligible player. So you *have* to give the points to the team that was wronged, otherwise you have a situation that effectively rewards cheating. The same situation could happen at the top of the table, or in the last play-off place too.But there are other sanctions available to deal with this. Dock them 5 points? Relegate them, like Rangers a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
an86 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, A12A1 said: 15 minutes ago, Alpha Gordini said: I think you have to give the 3 points to the opposition. Otherwise you can end up with the following situation: Imagine that the points tallies are the same as they are now, so Albion are 1 point ahead of us. And imagine that the head to head is this Saturday, and it's the last game of the season. If you don't have the sanction of awarding 3 points to the side that plays by the rules, Albion could deliberately decide to field an ineligible player. So you *have* to give the points to the team that was wronged, otherwise you have a situation that effectively rewards cheating. The same situation could happen at the top of the table, or in the last play-off place too. But there are other sanctions available to deal with this. Dock them 5 points? Relegate them, like Rangers a few years ago? Rangers weren't relegated. They were liquidated and the new club was placed in League Two. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternapper Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 10 hours ago, David W said: That's all that anyone is aware of and even then it's all came from second-hand comment; Clyde/the SPFL have not actually said anything about the situation. They haven't explained what the mistake was, why it was made, who made it, why it wasn't picked up by the second match. There's been no explanation of the sanction. From my point of view, it's hard to feel anything other than rage at the error being made, this season of all seasons. The punishment doesn't bother me at all. Agree there has not been much information about how it came to light, did Clyde contact the SPFL to own up to it or did somebody at the SPFL notice there had been a breach of the rules. There seems to be a bit of a disconnect between the SPFL that run the leagues & the SFA which looks after the disciplinary side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Minertaur Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, A12A1 said: But there are other sanctions available to deal with this. Dock them 5 points? Relegate them, like Rangers a few years ago? Edited April 10, 2019 by The Minertaur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougster Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I’ll say it again the punishment for playing an ineligible player has always been docked 3 points, not the result reversed this is new. Why? Who decided? Is it in the law no it’s totally ambiguous. A decent barrister would wipe the floor with this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Agree there has not been much information about how it came to light, did Clyde contact the SPFL to own up to it or did somebody at the SPFL notice there had been a breach of the rules. There seems to be a bit of a disconnect between the SPFL that run the leagues & the SFA which looks after the disciplinary side of things. There is no disconnect - SPFL have their eligibility rules, SFA handle registrations. Commit a breach of SPFL rules - they determine the penalty. If you appeal the penalty imposed by SPFL then it goes to SFA as the independent governing body for Scottish football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I’ll say it again the punishment for playing an ineligible player has always been docked 3 points, not the result reversed this is new. Why? Who decided? Is it in the law no it’s totally ambiguous. A decent barrister would wipe the floor with this. Always been - you mean often been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Imagine that the points tallies are the same as they are now, so Albion are 1 point ahead of us. And imagine that the head to head is this Saturday, and it's the last game of the season. If you don't have the sanction of awarding 3 points to the side that plays by the rules, Albion could deliberately decide to field an ineligible player. So you *have* to give the points to the team that was wronged, otherwise you have a situation that effectively rewards cheating. If you fine the offending club, void the result and order a replay what exactly have they gained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Gordini Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, dougster said: I’ll say it again the punishment for playing an ineligible player has always been docked 3 points, not the result reversed this is new. Why? Who decided? Is it in the law no it’s totally ambiguous. A decent barrister would wipe the floor with this. They reverse the result in cup competitions, don't they? The ruling bodies need to make it consistent... wishful thinking, I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tescodave Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 The top and bottom of it is the fans just need to take a sit back and look at our points total.Any other year we’d be well gone. This is the clubs own doing so stop hanging on excuses. It’s been coming for a good few years and the moment is finally arriving sadly. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Burton Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 If Berwick go down, sue Clyde for damages.But there are other sanctions available to deal with this. Dock them 5 points? Relegate them, like Rangers a few years ago?Sued and relegated for fielding an ineligible player [emoji23]The two 3-0 defeats pretty much is a 5 point deduction as it has put us out of reach of Peterhead on goal difference if it came down to that.The only reason we had to recall Fitzpatrick was because Goodwillie got injured against Berwick. Guessing we should sue them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie1 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, dougster said: I’ll say it again the punishment for playing an ineligible player has always been docked 3 points, not the result reversed this is new. Why? Who decided? Is it in the law no it’s totally ambiguous. A decent barrister would wipe the floor with this. This is now the 3rd/4th time this has been posted... Edited April 10, 2019 by Fergie1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie1 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 @A12A1 needs to have a day off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, dougster said: I’ll say it again the punishment for playing an ineligible player has always been docked 3 points, not the result reversed this is new. Why? Who decided? Is it in the law no it’s totally ambiguous. A decent barrister would wipe the floor with this. Hire one and take them to court then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 The only reason we had to recall Fitzpatrick was because Goodwillie got injured against Berwick. Guessing we should sue them too. This is a much overlooked point, you only have yourselves to blame for injuring our talisman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 This is now the 3rd/4th time this has been posted... Why was this not applied in previous cases then including hearts vs cove earlier this very season?This specific sanction has never been applied in our domestic game before to my knowledge.You keep continually quoting FIFA guidelines which apply to FIFA competitions, these rules do not have to be adopted verbatim by all organisations.Why is that so difficult for you to grasp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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