Uefa plans third European club competition from 2021

[DMCs]

3 minutes ago, ahemps said:

Is the 3rd team guaranteed??? According to the Wikipedia page the 3rd and 4th Scottish teams go into the 2nd qualifier meaning 3 qualifying rounds to get to the groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–22_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League#Teams

The Scottish Cup winners go into the EL unless the SC winner is already 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the league.

[FairWeatherFan]

1 hour ago, DMCs said:

Yes. I'd like there to be more but 4th and 5th getting through 3 qualifiers with 2 unseeded isn't an easy task. It's easier than the EL qualifiers now but not loads easier.

If Scotland can keep the 3rd spot that basically guarantees group stage football for a non-OF side, that will help the 4th-5th team over time.

Group Stage football will allow for them to increase their own club co-efficient and as 3rd/SC winner is more of a revolving door, over time they'd would slot in as the 4th-5th qualifier with a higher seeding than they currently do.

Aberdeen being the obvious example. Currently 4th, if they had a group stage appearance to their ranking they would be more likely to be seeded in the Conference 3rd Qualifying Round.

Edited February 5, 2021 by FairWeatherFan

[AmericanFan]

On 05/02/2021 at 11:07, FairWeatherFan said:

If Scotland can keep the 3rd spot that basically guarantees group stage football for a non-OF side, that will help the 4th-5th team over time.

Group Stage football will allow for them to increase their own club co-efficient and as 3rd/SC winner is more of a revolving door, over time they'd would slot in as the 4th-5th qualifier with a higher seeding than they currently do.

Aberdeen being the obvious example. Currently 4th, if they had a group stage appearance to their ranking they would be more likely to be seeded in the Conference 3rd Qualifying Round.

Any idea what the financial implications are of group stage for the Conference League? Wondering how helpful that will be for whomever it is next year?

[FairWeatherFan]

Just now, AmericanFan said:

Any idea what the financial implications are of group stage for the Conference League? Wondering how helpful that will be for whomever it is next year?

Millions most likely, but don't believe the exact figures are known as UEFA hasn't come out with them yet. Bit of a talking point today as you've had Motherwell's Chief Exec asking for the Scottish Cup to be completed this season so that the winner can enter.

There's the same issue over how coefficients might be adjusted for 3 competitions. Some speculating that the Europa League might end up with more Bonus Points for instance.

 

[AmericanFan]

32 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Millions most likely, but don't believe the exact figures are known as UEFA hasn't come out with them yet. Bit of a talking point today as you've had Motherwell's Chief Exec asking for the Scottish Cup to be completed this season so that the winner can enter.

There's the same issue over how coefficients might be adjusted for 3 competitions. Some speculating that the Europa League might end up with more Bonus Points for instance.

 

Appreciate it. Any chance you can link an article on what the Well CE was saying?

[FairWeatherFan]

8 minutes ago, AmericanFan said:

Appreciate it. Any chance you can link an article on what the Well CE was saying?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/motherwell-chief-scottish-cup-plea-23496714

 

[AmericanFan]

5 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/motherwell-chief-scottish-cup-plea-23496714

 

Interesting stuff. That would be life-changing £ for anyone outside of the OF and maybe Hibs (who seem to be able to turn down £4 million with no problem).

If the Scottish Cup doesn't get completed, would they just send 3rd to Europa League and 4th and 5th to Conference?

[charger29]

Millions most likely, but don't believe the exact figures are known as UEFA hasn't come out with them yet. Bit of a talking point today as you've had Motherwell's Chief Exec asking for the Scottish Cup to be completed this season so that the winner can enter.
There's the same issue over how coefficients might be adjusted for 3 competitions. Some speculating that the Europa League might end up with more Bonus Points for instance.
 

Think the coefficient points are already out on the kassiesa forums (though not officially confirmed).
Long story short, there's bonus points flying all over the place.

[FairWeatherFan]

16 minutes ago, charger29 said:

Think the coefficient points are already out on the kassiesa forums (though not officially confirmed).
Long story short, there's bonus points flying all over the place.

Guessing this is it:

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=455087#p455087

Match results (2 points for a win and 1 point for a draw) will be awarded from the group stage of CL, EL, and ECL onwards, with the exception of the knockout rounds for EL-R16 and ECL-R16. For the country coefficient matches in qualifying rounds are awarded with 1 points for a win, and 0.5 point for a draw.

Qualifying club points for elimation in:
ECL-Q1 = 1.0 point
ECL-Q2 = 1.5 points
ECL-Q3 = 2.0 points
ECL-Q4 = 2.5 points

Minimum club points for playing in:
ECL-GS = min 2.5 points
EL-GS = min 3.0 points

Bonus points (also count for country ranking):
CL-GS = 4 points
EL-GW = 4 points
EL-RU = 2 points
ECL-GW = 2 points
ECL-RU = 1 point

EL-KO en ECL-KO no bonus points, no match points

CL-R16 = 5 points
EL-R16 = 1 point

CL-QF = 1 point
EL-QF = 1 point

CL-SF = 1 point
EL-SF = 1 point
ECL-SF = 1 point

CL-F = 1 point
EL-F = 1 point
ECL-F = 1 point

Maximum number of points per club (may be deducted from the info above):
CL = 38 points
EL = 34 points
ECL = 30 points

[charger29]

Yeah, that was it.

[HibsFan]

On 03/02/2021 at 22:31, charger29 said:

Not sure if you're at the wind up but there's no chance of that happening. The conference league is not that massive of a step below the Europa League.
If you use the current positions of clubs in their leagues across Europe for next years seedings, the last 16 of the conference league could (very roughly) involve PSV, Rangers, Qarabag, Steaua Bucharest, Rennes, Malmo, Spartak Moscow, Real Sociedad, Tottenham, Atalanta, Basel, Plzen, B.Monchengladbach, Anderlecht, Astana, S.Leige.

It'd be a miracle if any team outside Rangers & Celtic even made it out their conference group, nevermind compete with those teams above.

You're spot on. Unfortunately this competition would actually be more entertaining if it was just the minnows, but they've basically decided (for god knows what reason) to move the current Europa League into a new Conference League, with absolutely none of the prestige and history that the UEFA Cup has. They've then kept the Europa League as a bare bones version of its current self where only the best of the regulars get in.

A mental decision that will hopefully be reversed when it's exposed for the shambles it is.

[AmericanFan]

On 14/02/2021 at 16:19, HibsFan said:

You're spot on. Unfortunately this competition would actually be more entertaining if it was just the minnows, but they've basically decided (for god knows what reason) to move the current Europa League into a new Conference League, with absolutely none of the prestige and history that the UEFA Cup has. They've then kept the Europa League as a bare bones version of its current self where only the best of the regulars get in.

A mental decision that will hopefully be reversed when it's exposed for the shambles it is.

Agreed. Wish they would have designed it more for that. Currently, Liverpool would be in ECL. Who wants to see them beat the piss out of teams that would have a hard time finishing in the top 15 of the Championship?

The top four countries should be kept out of the ECL.

Edited March 12, 2021 by AmericanFan
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[Thistle Scotland Europe]

Scottish football should prioritise winning the European Conference League. It would be great if a Scottish side won it.  We have not had a Scottish team win a UEFA trophy since 1983. Lets hope St Johnstone, Hibernian, or Aberdeen  can win the Europa Conference League. 

[Ray Patterson]

15 minutes ago, Thistle Scotland Europe said:

Scottish football should prioritise winning the European Conference League. It would be great if a Scottish side won it.  We have not had a Scottish team win a UEFA trophy since 1983. Lets hope St Johnstone, Hibernian, or Aberdeen  can win the Europa Conference League. 

It's more like a competition that Celtic or Rangers could win if they dropped out of the Europa League

[Steve McQueen]

12 minutes ago, Thistle Scotland Europe said:

Scottish football should prioritise winning the European Conference League. It would be great if a Scottish side won it.  We have not had a Scottish team win a UEFA trophy since 1983. Lets hope St Johnstone, Hibernian, or Aberdeen  can win the Europa Conference League. 

Having looked at the teams conference seems   as possible as current Europa

[PauloPerth]

Here’s a list of the teams waiting in the 3rd qualifying round!of the conference league: 

Basel **              Sui  49.000             .
FC København (**)        Den  43.500             .
AA Gent **               Bel  26.500             .
Anderlecht               Bel  25.000             .
FK Astana **             Kaz  22.500             .
LASK                     Aut  21.000             .
Feyenoord **             Ned  21.000             .
Qarabag FK **            Azb  21.000             Rubin Kazan              Rus   7.676
FCSB **                  Rom  21.000             FC Sochi **              Rus   7.676
PAOK Thessaloniki **     Gre  20.000             Aberdeen **              Sco   7.500
AEK Athens **            Gre  19.500             The New Saints *         Wal   7.500
Partizan Belgrade **     Srb  18.000             Spartak Trnava *         Svk   7.500
BATE Borisov **          Bls  17.500             Olimpija Ljubljana *     Slo   6.750
Molde FK **              Nor  17.000             Hibernian **             Sco   6.675
Rosenborg BK **          Nor  14.000             Kolos Kovalivka          Ukr   6.620
NK Maribor *             Slo  14.000             Vorskla Poltava **       Ukr   6.620
NK Rijeka **             Cro  13.500             FK Sarajevo *            Bos   6.250
Apollon Limassol **      Cyp  13.500             Trabzonspor              Tur   6.020
FC Fehérvár *            ***  11.500             Sivasspor **             Tur   6.020
Dundalk *                Irl  10.500             NK Osijek **             Cro   6.000
N5 **                    Aut  10.000 - 11.000    Universitatea Craiova ** Rom   6.000
CD Santa Clara **        Por   9.709             AGF Aarhus **            Den   5.575
Suduva Marijamp

and the teams waiting in the play off:

Roma                  Ita  90.000             .
Tottenham Hotspur        Eng  88.000             .
FC Basel **              Sui  49.000             .
FC København **/*3       Den  43.500             .
AA Gent **               Bel  26.500             .
Anderlecht *3            Bel  25.000             .
FK Astana **             Kaz  22.500             Union Berlin             Ger  14.714
LASK *3                  Aut  21.000             Rosenborg BK **          Nor  14.000
Feyenoord **             Ned  21.000             NK Maribor *             Slo  14.000
Qarabag FK **            Azb  21.000             NK Rijeka **             Cro  13.500
FCSB **                  Rom  21.000             Apollon Limassol **      Cyp  13.500
PAOK Thessaloniki **     Gre  20.000             FC Fehérvár *            ***  11.500
AEK Athens **

 that’s before you add in the teams dropping out of the Europa League.  Quite a mixed bag, but enough big clubs in there.  

Depends how seriously they want to take USDA’s third rank tournament I suppose.

[HibeeJibee]

I read that all games are on Thursdays and kickoffs will be 3:30pm, 5:45pm and 8pm.

Does that mean some games in UK could be played at those earlier times - to avoid clashing with EL same night - even though it would be inconvenient for home fans?

Does it just mean that EL and Conference League games will clash, and games in ex-Soviet countries will use early time and games in UK will use late time, like happened in EL until now?
 

[The Master]

5 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

I read that all games are on Thursdays and kickoffs will be 3:30pm, 5:45pm and 8pm.

Does that mean some games in UK could be played at those earlier times - to avoid clashing with EL same night - even though it would be inconvenient for home fans?

Does it just mean that EL and Conference League games will clash, and games in ex-Soviet countries will use early time and games in UK will use late time, like happened in EL until now?
 

The 3.30pm kick-off time will be for Eastern Europe only.

5.45pm (6.45pm CE(S)T) is the new kick-off time for the early Europa League games as well, primarily to ensure all games are finished before the late games kick off. I'm sure that as now, they'll try to avoid having UK and Portuguese teams at home at that time, but sometimes it might be unavoidable within the constraints of their scheduling model.

[HibeeJibee]

Just now, The Master said:

The 3.30pm kick-off time will be for Eastern Europe only.

5.45pm (6.45pm CE(S)T) is the new kick-off time for the early Europa League games as well, primarily to ensure all games are finished before the late games kick off. I'm sure that as now, they'll try to avoid having UK and Portuguese teams at home at that time, but sometimes it might be unavoidable within the constraints of their scheduling model.

Thanks, so no afternoon games here and unlikely to be any teatime games.

Does that mean Conference League games are less likely to be on TV once centralised deal kicks-in from QR4?

They'll have 16 games in EL to choose from on top of any Conference League options.

[The Master]

9 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Thanks, so no afternoon games here and unlikely to be any teatime games.

Does that mean Conference League games are less likely to be on TV once centralised deal kicks-in from QR4?

They'll have 16 games in EL to choose from on top of any Conference League options.

I would imagine that UK teams will all be shown, but yes ECL games will probably be right down the pecking order.

It actually wouldn't surprise me if BT put ECL games without UK interest free on YouTube. 

Edited May 29, 2021 by The Master