Mark Connolly Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 21 hours ago, senorsoupe said: Until an official name is determined I am going to refer to this as the UEFA vase. If I understand correctly UEFA is going to "help" smaller nations by taking them out of the Europa League and putting them in the UEFA Vase, where they will play other smaller teams like themselves plus a couple of Everton-esque teams from bigger leagues where the Europa League will mostly be leftovers of the big leagues. Not really convinced this is better 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Seemingly it's being sold as positive because more champions will reach groupstages + 16 more teams overall will play in groupstages = greater variety. Sadly for us we've only had 1 champion in 8yrs and 2 in 34yrs. EDIT: Outline of new formats:Champions League Title-holder EL title-holder 4x England 4x Spain 4x Italy 4x Germany 2x France 2x Russia 1x Portugal 1x Belgium 1x Ukraine 1x Turkey plus 4 from "Champions Pathway" plus 2 from "Non-Champions Pathway"Europa League EL2 title-holder 10x CL drop-outs 2x England 2x Spain 2x Italy 2x Germany 2x France 1x Russia plus 10 from qualifiers (entered by 9 teams from nations 7-15 and 10 CL drop-outs) - there are 2 qualifying rounds (i.e. no QR1 or QR2), with 13 CL teams dropping into QR3 and 6 into QR4 - there is a separate "Champions Path" in QR3 only: all are mixed in QR4Europa League 2 10x EL drop-outs plus 5 from "Champions Pathway" CL & EL drop-outs - there are 3 qualifying rounds (i.e. no QR1), with 20 CL teams dropping into QR2 and 5 into QR4 plus 17 from qualifiers (entered by 1 team from nations 1-5, 2 from nations 6-15, and 3 from nations 16 down) - there are 4 qualifying rounds, with 3 EL teams dropping into QR4 Edited December 3, 2018 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Aberdeen will still manage to fcuk it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, bennett said: Aberdeen will still manage to fcuk it up. Like they did in the LC semi final? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Hopefully the UEL1 and UEL2 have no bonus points or the same level bonus points. That way you should still see movement between say 10-20. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Flybhoy said: Like they did in the LC semi final? No, like they did European qualification Magsy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Reportedly countries will be able to reassign cup slot to league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 8 hours ago, bennett said: No, like they did European qualification Magsy. having the bad luck to draw an EPL team and be knocked out aet is hardly fucking it up;youre perhaps thinking of your own mob vs a team from Luxembourg the previous season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Looks to me like a slow evolution into a fluid league system, with teams at this point only being able to be relegated down the way. Fully expect that eventually, most top league sides in Europe will be in there somewhere and there will be leagues allowing sides to move up and down a bit more fluidly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Ross. said: Looks to me like a slow evolution into a fluid league system, with teams at this point only being able to be relegated down the way. Fully expect that eventually, most top league sides in Europe will be in there somewhere and there will be leagues allowing sides to move up and down a bit more fluidly. That's usually the way relegation works... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said: That's usually the way relegation works... For the record, I stuck two fingers up at you. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Falcor Roar Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 The Europa League should have been kept as the bottom tier competition. It's the trophy that the biggest clubs are embarrassed to lift. I wouldn't have minded this carve up so much had they just scrapped allowing group losers to drop down to the next tier. Qualifiers fine, but if you lose a group stage then it should be 'thanks for playing now f**k off' till next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Whichever name is given to the new tournament - "Europa League 2" / "Challenge League" / "UEFA Shield" or whatever - it is sadly going to be regarded as even less of a worthwhile exercise, for the big clubs, as is reflected in the late afternoon kickoffs on Thursdays; yet there will be a good spread of them in it due to the biggest leagues each having 1 or 2 slots, plus drop-outs from EL. Admittedly the new system of group winners progressing directly to Last 16 of EL (and EL2) gives an incentive to win groups. However the fact that runners-up in EL (and EL2) have to playoff with 3rd places from CL (and EL) means even more squeezing out of clubs from their own tournament. You could potentially find half of Last 16 in EL (and EL2) just parachuted in from CL (and EL). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternapper Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Whichever name is given to the new tournament - "Europa League 2" / "Challenge League" / "UEFA Shield" or whatever - it is sadly going to be regarded as even less of a worthwhile exercise, for the big clubs, as is reflected in the late afternoon kickoffs on Thursdays; yet there will be a good spread of them in it due to the biggest leagues each having 1 or 2 slots, plus drop-outs from EL. Admittedly the new system of group winners progressing directly to Last 16 of EL (and EL2) gives an incentive to win groups. However the fact that runners-up in EL (and EL2) have to playoff with 3rd places from CL (and EL) means even more squeezing out of clubs from their own tournament. You could potentially find half of Last 16 in EL (and EL2) just parachuted in from CL (and EL). Hope this will not dilute the standard of entries in next seasons Challenge Cup. In Doncaster we trust Edited December 6, 2018 by peternapper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 On 03/12/2018 at 11:09, honestly united said: So basically the champions on the smaller countries (11th down) and the 2nd & 3rd teams from 5th down to 15th enter the Champions league qualifiers, if they get knocked out of that, they go into the Europa League either group stage or qualifiers depending on the round they are knocked out, or if its first round they go into the Europa Vase thing. And some of the teams could lose again in Europa laegue and end up in the group stage of the Vase! Clubs will be able to meet each other 4 times in a season. You could beat someone 7 times, lose 1, and be eliminated from Europe by them. On 03/12/2018 at 16:25, Marten said: It's especially a farce that it's another tournament with a group stage. If there is going to be a 3rd tournament, then make a full knock-out tournament with all teams missing out on EL / CL with the carrot of a CL spot at the end. That would at least generate a decent amount of interest in "diddy countries". I'd love a one-leg, played to a finish, all-in from round 1, no seeding competition. It'd be bags of fun. But a two-legged knock-out competition takes 4 matches to eliminate two teams; group takes 12 matches to eliminate two teams. And that's where the money is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 So we have a name. The UEFA Europa Conference League.....Sounds like it'll be split regionally to avoid long travel distances. Not sure how you can do that and maintain balance across groups given the strength of Western Europe. Italian and German teams could be put in the eastern european region I guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordecai Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 So we have a name. The UEFA Europa Conference League.....Sounds like it'll be split regionally to avoid long travel distances. Not sure how you can do that and maintain balance across groups given the strength of Western Europe. Italian and German teams could be put in the eastern european region I guess.Would it not be North/South akin to what they do in the early rounds of the qualifiers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Hopefully they get Vauxhall in to sponsor this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Would it not be North/South akin to what they do in the early rounds of the qualifiers? I had no idea they did that. I can't see any specific mention of it on wiki or UEFA's own articles. What's the rough groupings like? Would Scotland be in the same grouping as Russia then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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