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This seasons qualifiers if im right would be as follows from the Champions path

  • FC Salzburg
  • BATE Borisov
  • Dinamo Zagreb
  • Videoton Fehérvár
  • Celtic
  • Shkendija Tetovo
  • Spartak Trnava
  • Garabag Agdam
  • FK Astana
  • Malmö FF
  • FC Midtjylland
  • Ludogorets Razgrad
  • FK Kukësi
  • CFR Cluj
  • Hapoel Beer-Sheva
  • Suduva Marijampole
  • HJK Helsinki
  • Sheriff Tiraspol
  • Legia Warsaw
  • Rosenborg BK

And from the league path

  • Dinamo Kiev
  • PAOK Thessaloniki
  • Spartak Moscow
  • Slavia Praha
  • Fenerbahçe
  • Standard Liège
  • Sturm Graz
  • FC Basel
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On ‎11‎/‎09‎/‎2018 at 10:58, Marten said:

I wouln't be surprised if they will use that cup to dump the "diddy countries" in, so they can keep them out of the main tournaments. With them making it harder and harder for smaller sides to actually qualify that's bound to happen one day...

My expectation is the '2nd' tournament - whether that's the Europa League, or whether the new tournament slots in between - will essentially become a CL Consolation Cup, for sides exiting before CL groups plus some more from the big nations. EL is already getting that way after this season's alterations. They're only actually proposing adding 16 clubs to groupstages overall, by effectively dropping 16 teams into the 3rd-level tournament alongside 16 new ones. Given so many sides are exiting in EL qualifying it might be that no new entrants are created whatsoever?

It'll also be interesting to see how the knockouts are organised: with 32 clubs in each groupstage they could well drop everyone eliminated from CL into Last 32 of tournament #2 and everyone eliminated from tournament #3 into Last 32 of tournament #3. That way clubs from the big nations - and champions of the middling nations - are guaranteed groupstage and knockout action.

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The English clubs in particular and also many of the Spanish clubs already treat the Europa with complete contempt by fielding their youth teams and fringe players which is nothing other than a disgrace, so what will be the plan for this 3rd tournament ?

Basically the amount of money up for grabs in their own leagues is now so great that they couldn't give a toss about European competition, their own fans, or even silverware as it's ONLY about money for them.

Who knows though, maybe after pressure from the likes of Sky, they'll invite MLS and Chinese superleague clubs to "compete" and that way open up a whole new level of marketing greed for Uefa, TV companies and the scum who run our elite level game.................

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The English clubs in particular and also many of the Spanish clubs already treat the Europa with complete contempt by fielding their youth teams and fringe players which is nothing other than a disgrace, so what will be the plan for this 3rd tournament ?
Basically the amount of money up for grabs in their own leagues is now so great that they couldn't give a toss about European competition, their own fans, or even silverware as it's ONLY about money for them.
Who knows though, maybe after pressure from the likes of Sky, they'll invite MLS and Chinese superleague clubs to "compete" and that way open up a whole new level of marketing greed for Uefa, TV companies and the scum who run our elite level game.................
If there is a tournament with non European clubs it'll be under the auspices of FIFA, not UEFA. They already want a piece of the club game pie and they can still dangle the potential of being banned from internationals and the World Cup in particular for players who play in a rival tournament.
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On 11/09/2018 at 11:43, Falcor Roar said:

Presumably this will be a tournament for the smaller nations. Can't imagine the likes of Everton and Valencia will be too keen to play in it.

If they scrapped 3rd placed Champions League sides dropping into Europa, and don't let Europa 3rd placed sides drop into this tournament then it might be a good idea. The tournaments should retain their own prestige at their own level within the game. 

 

in Europa League's current form, with any teams from the top nations involvement - it's the 3rd place drop ins that make it interesting

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On 9/12/2018 at 21:07, Willie adie said:

how about we have the chamions compete in the European champions cup.

then a cup for the winners of the domestic knock out cup and they could call it the , cup winners cup.

finally a competition for the clubs top 4 or 5 in thier league and could call it the UEFA cup.

would it catch on?

No, which is why it was ditched for being rubbish. 

 

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On 9/13/2018 at 14:46, Bring Your Own Socks said:

Just another step in FIFA’s strategy to make money from every kick of the ball on the planet. Shameless!

Except for the slight and inconvenient fact that FIFA has got nothing to do with it whatsoever - which had you just read the fucking thread title you'd already know. 

So that's the 'bring back the good old European trophies that were so popular' and 'this is big, bad FIFA's fault again' dealt with - are there any more old man yelling at a cloud hot-takes out there?

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On 15/09/2018 at 12:01, virginton said:

Except for the slight and inconvenient fact that FIFA has got nothing to do with it whatsoever - which had you just read the fucking thread title you'd already know. 

So that's the 'bring back the good old European trophies that were so popular' and 'this is big, bad FIFA's fault again' dealt with - are there any more old man yelling at a cloud hot-takes out there?

You missed "English and Spanish(?!) teams fielding youth and fringe players", which almost never happens since a Champions League place became available by winning it.

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The English clubs in particular and also many of the Spanish clubs already treat the Europa with complete contempt by fielding their youth teams and fringe players which is nothing other than a disgrace, so what will be the plan for this 3rd tournament ?

 

Strangely enough of the nine tournaments to date since the Europa League was formed in 2009, eight of them have been won by Spanish or English clubs. 

However, I actually think if this third tournament has more teams that welcome being involved (e.g. Scots clubs), then I'd be quite happy seeing AFC taking on the better sides from the likes of Denmark, Romania and Switzerland over a few midweeks.

It's come to the point where I couldn't care less about the bigger leagues and would happily let them get on with pleasing their Asian and American viewing markets etc.....

 

 

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, tarapoa said:

 

Strangely enough of the nine tournaments to date since the Europa League was formed in 2009, eight of them have been won by Spanish or English clubs. 

However, I actually think if this third tournament has more teams that welcome being involved (e.g. Scots clubs), then I'd be quite happy seeing AFC taking on the better sides from the likes of Denmark, Romania and Switzerland over a few midweeks.

It's come to the point where I couldn't care less about the bigger leagues and would happily let them get on with pleasing their Asian and American viewing markets etc.....

 

 

 

 

 

Unless AFC win the league and then drop out of the Champions league qualifiers you wont be in this 3rd tournament.

Its an increase of 16 teams with less places in the Europa league which will be the 3rd level competition.

I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed with what's proposed as fans of all the top level teams outside the old firm seem to think its a passport to midweek football in Europe after August for all.

 

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2 minutes ago, Marten said:

Why another tournament with a group stage though? Certainly it's better to have a full knock-out tournament for CL/EL dropouts. Then you can have 128 clubs with the same amount of match days (qualifiers excluded).

The clubs like the group stages unfortunately.

Its being said the proposal is to have 96 teams playing group stage football from September to December is the aim.

 

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You'd hope that a third tournament would be for the perennial out-of-Europe-by-August teams, like the Welsh/Icelandic/Maltese sides (and Rangers ;)).  Maybe something like teams knocked out in 1st/2nd Champions League qualifying rounds, or 1st-3rd qualifying rounds of the UEFA Cup - plus reduce the number of Europa League places for those countries, and swap them for places in the "3rd cup".  (So, in Wales' case, maybe 1 Champions League + 2 Europa League + 1 "Third Cup" places).  Arguably somewhere like Scotland might keep the current CL/EL places but have an extra 'Third Cup' place. 

Hopefully it won't be some kind of cynical way to give mid-table sides from the English + Spanish leagues the "opportunity" of fighting it out to play sides not-quite-good-enough to get past the Europa League group stage.  I imagine that'd be more profitable, though ...

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Whats the point in have a competition that parachutes failed teams from other competitions?  Its just another way of continuing to reward failure for the sake of TV money.  

"Here you are football club, come and play int he Champions League.  Oh sorry you've failed, here have a go at the Europa league instead.  Oh sorry you've failed, here keep going until we can further rim the arseholes of Sky etc".

Utter shite.

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On 9/18/2018 at 11:47, realmadrid said:

The clubs like the group stages unfortunately.

I get the group stages in the Champions League - as some kind of compromise for the much talked about European Super League, which as long as I can recall will always "be with us in ten years or so". 

Only thing they probably should do in the CL is have the groups at last 16 stage, as right now most of the groups are fairly predictable in terms of who will progress...........and dead rubbers and weakened teams in the last couple of matches are commonplace, as are the odd 7-0 win and the likes (sorry Celtic).

The Europa groups are maybe exciting if your club is in them (casting my mind back to 07/08 yes it was) - but for the 'neutral' they are generally seen as quite tedious background stuff lobbed into a Thursday evening after the previous two-evenings saturation CL coverage.

If there is a third tournament - hopefully it's....

(a) expanded - to give a lot more clubs a crack at European football

(b) a straight knock-out tournament   (with away goals only mattering if it goes to extra time in the second leg).

 

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I do think 3 tournaments with exactly the same format isn't the greatest. It'll just underline the 1st, 2nd, 3rd nature of it.

Wouldn't shock me though if they try and turn the champions league into 4 groups of 8. Increasing the likelihood of Saturday games and could guarantee a English, Spanish, German, Italian & maybe even French team in every group. 20 spots taken up, 9-12 spots to qualify for depending on title holders.

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The English clubs in particular and also many of the Spanish clubs already treat the Europa with complete contempt by fielding their youth teams and fringe players which is nothing other than a disgrace, so what will be the plan for this 3rd tournament ?
Basically the amount of money up for grabs in their own leagues is now so great that they couldn't give a toss about European competition, their own fans, or even silverware as it's ONLY about money for them.
Who knows though, maybe after pressure from the likes of Sky, they'll invite MLS and Chinese superleague clubs to "compete" and that way open up a whole new level of marketing greed for Uefa, TV companies and the scum who run our elite level game.................


Spanish teams always take the Europa seriously that’s why they win it so often
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