Trogdor Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Has Uncle Ian joined P&B? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarsGunnar Carlstrands Dog Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Tam Cowan is small minded dinosaur and Marvin Bartley is a man who has been convicted of threatening to harm a woman. score draw in my opinion. Neither should be given a platform by the media to express their views 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 39 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's not overlooking it, but it's standard practice to dig up dirt from somebody's past to make out whatever they're saying isn't worth bothering about. 47 minutes ago, Hendo said: Defending Bartley is like defending Jimmy Savile because he raised lots of money for charity. Oooft. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 I'm surprised people still take Hendo seriously on here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 50 minutes ago, Hendo said: Cowan really didnt do any of that. He pointed out that the initial investigation had not found evidence of racism, as claimed by Bartley, and asked him to apologise. This is not quite undermining anti racist initiatives. The only person who could've been considered anywhere close to due an apology if there hadn't been a racist insult shouted would've been Jair Tavares for any unnecessary alarm or stress it had caused him. An activist or advisor in this context flags up potential racist incidents at football matches. They don't make claims against entire institutions ("Dundee Utd" according to Cowan) and implying they do absolutely undermines the process. 1 hour ago, Hendo said: Defending Bartley is like defending Jimmy Savile because he raised lots of money for charity. So you've put here that defending Bartley's right to carry out his antiracism role unimpeded is the same as defending a mass child rapist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Who was it on here that trolled the crap out of Tam Cowan about something? Was it on Twitter or am I right in thinking Tam appeared on here to have a pop? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) All Cowan had to do was make a full and direct public apology to Bartley instead of that insipid politician's dribble that he might have received wrong information and if so he was sorry for any upset caused. Edited December 15, 2022 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said: So you've put here that defending Bartley's right to carry out his antiracism role unimpeded is the same as defending a mass child rapist. I didnt do any of that. My comparison was those who say "look at Marv, a great campaigner against discrimination" while ignoring his own mysogyny for which he has a criminal conviction and to my knowledge has never apologised. Sorry if the nuance was lost on you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Hendo said: My comparison This is where you fucked up to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Even if Bartley had accused a united fan or fans of racism I wouldn't be bothered because I'm not a racist and there are racist united fans. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 How long does Bartley need to go on though before it's clear he's grown as a person beyond his conviction, nearly 6 years ago. He seems to have learned from it and took it on the chin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, ATLIS said: How long does Bartley need to go on though before it's clear he's grown as a person beyond his conviction, nearly 6 years ago. He seems to have learned from it and took it on the chin I hope these aren't his words. On another note, the current manger at your club seems to have rehabilitated himself without attracting controversy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: I hope these aren't his words. On another note, the current manger at your club seems to have rehabilitated himself without attracting controversy. It's helped by the fact he doesn't shy away from it, even when people make jokes about it. Just being up front and honest can get people a long way 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Just now, ATLIS said: It's helped by the fact he doesn't shy away from it, even when people make jokes about it. Just being up front and honest can get people a long way Does he not participate in helping others affected by his previous conviction? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Does he not participate in helping others affected by his previous conviction? Yeah, I'm aware that he does visits to prisons and gives talks there too. He's probably done most in Scotland by this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonksy+HisChristianParade Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I do find it quite mad that Eilidh Barbour is happy to date a known love rat and convicted danger to women. It’s not relevant to the topic at hand, however. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie adie Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Bonksy+HisChristianParade said: I do find it quite mad that Eilidh Barbour is happy to date a known love rat and convicted danger to women. It’s not relevant to the topic at hand, however. Maybe proves that he has changed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 7 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Even if Bartley had accused a united fan or fans of racism I wouldn't be bothered because I'm not a racist and there are racist united fans. A key point, and all too often tribalism comes first, but for me once you start openly lobbing racist abuse about, you really should lose the right be known as "Dundee United* fan...." and simply be known as someone who has been banned from football grounds as a racist. *other clubs are available, and the idea I should feel some solidarity with someone like that because they picked the same team as me is insulting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 8 hours ago, ATLIS said: How long does Bartley need to go on though before it's clear he's grown as a person beyond his conviction, nearly 6 years ago. He seems to have learned from it and took it on the chin This is absolutely a fair point about rehabilitation. However, has he learned from it? Has he been on awareness courses, spoken publicly of his remorse, done work with Womens Aid? If any of that has happened, he seems to have kept it very quiet. You might ask why does he need to do this publicly - he perhaps wouldn't if he didnt claim he would challenge discrimination everywhere while not talking about his own past. This is the issue - hypocrisy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) Just to go back to the usual bashing.... On Sunday's show, I thought it was pretty obvious from the outside of Cosgrove's question that Steve Nichol was not at the 1998 World Cup Edited December 16, 2022 by Stylish Kid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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