Off The Ball - Is it good?

[welshbairn]

14 minutes ago, diegomarahenry said:

You have used This phrase “inventing racism” a couple of times. 
 

Tam Cowan didn’t accuse him of inventing it, he accused him of being to quick to call out the perpetrator before all the facts were known(ironically)

He said that Bartley should come on OTB and apologise for saying that someone shouted "f**k you, you black b*****d", when according to Tam's mates it was "f**k you, you fat b*****d.". It's not nice to be told on national radio you need to apologise for being delusional.

Edited December 15, 2022 by welshbairn

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

1 minute ago, Stylish Kid said:

Again, probably age.... 

Don't dare mention Cosgrove's age, he get's pretty techy about it.

[King Ian]

2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

He said that Bartley should come on OTB and apologise for saying that someone shouted "f**k you, you black b*****d", when according to Tam's mates it was "f**k you, you fat b*****d.". It's not nice to be told on radio you need to apologise for being delusional.

You’ve misunderstood the sequence of events.

Whether you did this wilfully or not is the question.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, King Ian said:

You’ve misunderstood the sequence of events.

Whether you did this wilfully or not is the question.

So explain it.

[King Ian]

Just now, welshbairn said:

So explain it.

Naw.

It’s already been done in several posts on this thread.

[Guest]

Very informative thread for identifying wrong yins. Noted

[diegomarahenry]

10 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

He said that Bartley should come on OTB and apologise for saying that someone shouted "f**k you, you black b*****d", when according to Tam's mates it was "f**k you, you fat b*****d.". It's not nice to be told on national radio you need to apologise for being delusional.

"His Pals" You are now trying to claim that Tam or his pals made something up that was widely reported in the media at the time. 

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/dundee-united-hibs-probe-finds-abuse-most-likely-derogatory-rather-than-racist-as-new-footage-suggests-fat-comment-from-away-end-3878210

You aren't doing a good job of the picture you are trying to paint here. 

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

3 minutes ago, King Ian said:

Naw.

It’s already been done in several posts on this thread.

You've been here for 8 hours to white knight someone, the least you can do is to filter out the detritus, and present what perceive to be the facts.

[Hendo]

24 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said:

To simply question the accuracy of Bartley's call or to disagree with it would've been fine. That's not what Cowan did, though. He instead threw a shitfit over the very nature of antiracism initiatives. He claimed "Dundee Utd" (whatever he meant by that - the fans? The board? The whole intangible entity?) were victim to a huge injustice because an antiracism activist had flagged up a potentially racist insult shouted by a spectator. Cowan framed events in that ridiculous way to try and get Dundee Utd fans all riled up and presumably so they'd go after Bartley, who its speculated Cowan has a grudge against. Dundee Utd fans ignored Cowan because, of course,  nobody actually was implicating them or their club in anything despite Cowan's attempted manipulation. So antiracism efforts became collateral damage in Cowan's pig-headed gunning for Bartley here. Folk won't accept that.

Cowan really didnt do any of that. He pointed out that the initial investigation had not found evidence of racism, as claimed by Bartley, and asked him to apologise. This is not quite undermining anti racist initiatives.

 The main problem here is not the message but the messenger. To have Bartley as the SFA equality advisor, when he has a criminal conviction for intimidating behaviour towards a woman, is a fecking horrendous look, even for the SFA, especially when they are supposedly trying to grow womens football. The anti discriminatory message is undermined by who is delivering it.

I fully expect some people on here to now go full in and claim I am some sort of racism apologist, despite abhorring it and calling out other "fans" several times for racism, the fact I even need to say that on here is ridiculous. The wider point, and I think this thread proves it, is that to some fans mysogyny is somehow acceptable - "stop dragging things up from the past" as one poster said.

Defending Bartley is like defending Jimmy Savile because he raised lots of money for charity.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Hendo

[Rugster]

30 minutes ago, diegomarahenry said:

You have used This phrase “inventing racism” a couple of times. 
 

Tam Cowan didn’t accuse him of inventing it, he accused him of being to quick to call out the perpetrator before all the facts were known(ironically)

Cowan posted Pinocchio emojis referencing Bartley. If that’s not accusing him of inventing things, then what is? 

[Airdrie76]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

Aye, that'll sort it, drag out dirt from the past that merited a £400 fine. He was asking for it.

Aye okay but Tam Cowan is the devil because information available at the time led him to wrongly call Bartley out. Bartley, who was actually in the wrong too for blaming Dundee Utd fans if I remember right (and as mentioned above) - and who is someone recently named in an employment tribunal for telling inaccuracies around another alleged racist shout. Cowan was an arse, Bartley also seems to be an arse, racism is obviously abhorrent. But then so is overlooking something pretty nasty because it only involved a £400 fine. 

[welshbairn]

17 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

He said that Bartley should come on OTB and apologise for saying that someone shouted "f**k you, you black b*****d", when according to Tam's mates it was "f**k you, you fat b*****d.". It's not nice to be told on national radio you need to apologise for being delusional.

 

13 minutes ago, King Ian said:

You’ve misunderstood the sequence of events.

Whether you did this wilfully or not is the question.

 

11 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

So explain it.

 

9 minutes ago, King Ian said:

Naw.

It’s already been done in several posts on this thread.

 

4 minutes ago, diegomarahenry said:

"His Pals" You are now trying to claim that Tam or his pals made something up that was widely reported in the media at the time. 

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/dundee-united-hibs-probe-finds-abuse-most-likely-derogatory-rather-than-racist-as-new-footage-suggests-fat-comment-from-away-end-3878210

You aren't doing a good job of the picture you are trying to paint here. 

 

3 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

You've been here for 8 hours to white knight someone, the least you can do is to filter out the detritus, and present what perceive to be the facts.

Agreed.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Airdrie76 said:

But then so is overlooking something pretty nasty because it only involved a £400 fine. 

It's not overlooking it, but it's standard practice to dig up dirt from somebody's past to make out whatever they're saying isn't worth bothering about. 

[diegomarahenry]

11 minutes ago, Rugster said:

Cowan posted Pinocchio emojis referencing Bartley. If that’s not accusing him of inventing things, then what is? 

These are the ones Bartley screen grabbed. 

[Rugster]

3 minutes ago, diegomarahenry said:

These are the ones Bartley screen grabbed. 

 

[blackislekillie]

19 minutes ago, Hendo said:

Defending Bartley is like defending Jimmy Savile because he raised lots of money for charity.

 

 

[diegomarahenry]

2 minutes ago, Rugster said:

 

I am not on Instagram and If I was, I wouldn't follow either Tam Cowan or Marvin Bartley 

[Rugster]

2 minutes ago, diegomarahenry said:

I am not on Instagram and If I was, I wouldn't follow either Tam Cowan or Marvin Bartley 

Bartley posted that on Twitter also. The screen grabs you posted were not all of them. 

Edited December 15, 2022 by Rugster

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Unfortunately we're not going to top comparing Bartley to Jimmy Saville. Similar to Godwin's Law, the threads been Yewtreed. 

[tamthebam]

4 hours ago, Clown Job said:

I’m guessing the reason he hasn’t apologised to Marvin is because that would be an admission of guilt 

 

That Well fan looks like he wants to lamp Tam!