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On 07/03/2019 at 09:02, Kelheart said:

Free pass for the EoS then ? Providing one of them is licensed 

Indeed. Stranraer now just four points from ensuring that a currently licensed team won't win the league. Not seen anything on twitter to indicate Bonnyton have their cover sorted for a licence, but they'll still be trying to win the SOS and get a Scottish Cup place.

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They are, and again they are. Both true. But being Kilmarnock based, geographically they are closer to other traditional west of Scotland clubs, that includes top Ayrshire sides, than their current SOS geographic basis.
Therefore ideally they would be hopeful the West has a breakaway league in which case they join at the top.
if the juniors are however accepted I see no reason why Bonnyton should start at tier 9. There could be a one off conference league system similar to the EOS league this year that accompanies all interested teams in the west.


This would have been the easiest solution for the entire country, set geographic areas, East, West, North (possibly split into two areas due to travel) get every team who wanted to play to do what the EOS have done this season (1 season of conferences) and form divisions for each geographic area from the conferences teams would then be at the correct levels after 1 year of pain and no one loses face. However that ship has long since sailed.
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If I'm not mistaken, Stranraer's win and Threave's defeat means none of the currently licensed clubs can win the South of Scotland League, therefore there will be no LL play-off. Unless of course Bonnyton get a licence, win the league, and the LL grants a waiver if they don't get one by 31st March.

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Saw this on the nonleaguematters forum. Haven't seen this mentioned on here:

https://nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=918151#918151

...Confusuin arose this season with the withdrawal and subsequent expulsion of Selkirk. Initially the Lowland League decided that team 15 would be relegated. Within their own processes this decision was then reversed. However, an appeal was made (by parties unknown) to the SFA who act solely as an arbiter in these matters and thee appeal was upheld. Consequently club 15 will be relegated but may, of course, apply for reinstatement ikn the event kf a vacancy(s) as described above...

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1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Saw this on the nonleaguematters forum. Haven't seen this mentioned on here:

https://nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=918151#918151

...Confusuin arose this season with the withdrawal and subsequent expulsion of Selkirk. Initially the Lowland League decided that team 15 would be relegated. Within their own processes this decision was then reversed. However, an appeal was made (by parties unknown) to the SFA who act solely as an arbiter in these matters and thee appeal was upheld. Consequently club 15 will be relegated but may, of course, apply for reinstatement ikn the event kf a vacancy(s) as described above...

The basics of this has been covered around the time.

Team 15 would be relegated decided back in September, a special meeting arranged January/february to have Selkirk still count as bottom club, only the SFA stepped in saying it was too late in the season for a rule change.

The idea that someone actually went to the sfa asking them to step in would be interesting.

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2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Saw this on the nonleaguematters forum. Haven't seen this mentioned on here:

https://nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=918151#918151

...Confusuin arose this season with the withdrawal and subsequent expulsion of Selkirk. Initially the Lowland League decided that team 15 would be relegated. Within their own processes this decision was then reversed. However, an appeal was made (by parties unknown) to the SFA who act solely as an arbiter in these matters and thee appeal was upheld. Consequently club 15 will be relegated but may, of course, apply for reinstatement ikn the event kf a vacancy(s) as described above...

As far as I am aware the decision was never reversed??

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I don't think the Lowland League ever announced a change to their original interpretation of their constitution that team 15 (for the sake of argument let's call them Whitehill Welfare) gets relegated, if a licensed club emerges as champion from the EoS and/or SoS, so as far as the general public knows the original decision, as you point out, has never been reversed.

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31 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

I don't think the Lowland League ever announced a change to their original interpretation of their constitution that team 15 (for the sake of argument let's call them Whitehill Welfare) gets relegated, if a licensed club emerges as champion from the EoS and/or SoS, so as far as the general public knows the original decision, as you point out, has never been reversed.

The way I remember it @Burnie_man mentioned the change to Selkirk counting as the bottom club. Either through EoS sources or just chatter on the terraces.

This then led to debate over the Lowland League being all about self preservation.

Then @HibeeJibee said the SFA wouldn't allow a rule change this late in the season.

There was never any public announcement from the Lowland League.

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9 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Yeah, just requires the HL Champions winning the SPFL playoff.

I would quite fancy EK to beat Cove tbh, they are definitely better than Spartans were last season. 

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18 minutes ago, surely not! said:

 


Is this based on a scenario where HL champs get promoted? If so, would the team coming down not replace team 15 with the EoS champ replacing team 16?

 

Yes, it's based on that scenario. If that happens, number 15 & 14 get relegated and the EOS champion (if licensed) gets promoted. However, the vacancy from Selkirk still has to be filled, which will be by application. The number 15 (and 14 if relegated) can also apply for that spot.

It's even possible that 2 spots have to be filled by application: HL champion promoted & EOS champion not licensed.

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29 minutes ago, surely not! said:

 


Is this based on a scenario where HL champs get promoted? If so, would the team coming down not replace team 15 with the EoS champ replacing team 16?

 

I would like to think so but reading on here and there seems ti be a lot in the know there's nae club 16. Personally I'd like one more shot at the LL but after a disastrous season and new rules coming into play its looking more and more unlikely to happen. There's a big influence on the LL from the west nowadays I hope they remember how they got there in 1st place :P so who knows what the future holds. 

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If your fear happens NB there'd be worse leagues to drop into than new EOS Premier Division, which as it stands could contain all bar 1 of:

Penicuik, Newtongrange, Bonnyrigg
Musselburgh, Dunbar, Tranent, Preston
Leith
Broxburn, Linlithgow
Bo'ness, Camelon
Sauchie
Hill of Beath, Dundonald, Crossgates
Jeanfield


Plenty of big opponents and Midlothian derbies - plus you've never played most of them competitively before.

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If your fear happens NB there'd be worse leagues to drop into than new EOS Premier Division, which as it stands could contain all bar 1 of:

Penicuik, Newtongrange, Bonnyrigg
Musselburgh, Dunbar, Tranent, Preston
Leith
Broxburn, Linlithgow
Bo'ness, Camelon
Sauchie
Hill of Beath, Dundonald, Crossgates
Jeanfield


Plenty of big opponents and Midlothian derbies - plus you've never played most of them competitively before.


Current WW squad round find itself in a relegation battle again imo
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3 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

If your fear happens NB there'd be worse leagues to drop into than new EOS Premier Division, which as it stands could contain all bar 1 of:

Penicuik, Newtongrange, Bonnyrigg
Musselburgh, Dunbar, Tranent, Preston
Leith
Broxburn, Linlithgow
Bo'ness, Camelon
Sauchie
Hill of Beath, Dundonald, Crossgates
Jeanfield


Plenty of big opponents and Midlothian derbies - plus you've never played most of them competitively before.

There would be decent gate money for Whitehill in that league, plus might get a good turn over the bar. 

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