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On 04/10/2020 at 10:23, DeeTillEhDeh said:

The process should happen.

I just think the Tories have easier targets to aim for if they want to have a go at the SNP.

Like what? 

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What do folk think about this?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeons-husband-admits-sending-22798102

Paul Hutcheon seems to think it'll cause some tectonic upheaval, maybe he's right but I can't help feeling it's a bit like Kirsty Wark's documentary about it, they're more interested in the story than most folk, who have already moved on. If Salmond was to push for something then maybe but I don't think he's totally lost his political acumen.

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34 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

What do folk think about this?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeons-husband-admits-sending-22798102

Paul Hutcheon seems to think it'll cause some tectonic upheaval, maybe he's right but I can't help feeling it's a bit like Kirsty Wark's documentary about it, they're more interested in the story than most folk, who have already moved on. If Salmond was to push for something then maybe but I don't think he's totally lost his political acumen.

It's probably exciting for political journos, opposition backbenchers and folk who unironically use the wee nippy/krankie, Snatzi patter. Most folk will be the Alan Partridge shrug gif.

Murrell being sidelined and a more open and accountable executive doesn't sound too bad tbf.

As you say, the wildcard here is not the external noise, but the internal/Salmond wing(s over Bath)

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1 hour ago, MixuFruit said:

What do folk think about this?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeons-husband-admits-sending-22798102

Paul Hutcheon seems to think it'll cause some tectonic upheaval, maybe he's right but I can't help feeling it's a bit like Kirsty Wark's documentary about it, they're more interested in the story than most folk, who have already moved on. If Salmond was to push for something then maybe but I don't think he's totally lost his political acumen.

He's already yesterday's news and it won't make a slight bit of difference to the Independence cause.

tories/labour/liberal politicos and journos will hammer on with these stories as this and Ferrier is all they have to go on.

We SNP members have become inured to the majority media attacks and it only strengthens our resolve. 

The print media is on it's knees getting scorched on the dying embers, the millionaire owners have absolutely no shame in asking their readers for donations to allow them to continue with their lies and bile.

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Anything's possible but my feeling is that Murrell just believed the accusers and thought they deserved a full hearing. Any hints that the SNP did anything to cover up the accusations or keep the police out of it would have been far more damaging, especially if the trial had gone the other way, with the not proven verdict indicating it wasn't that clear cut. Salmond was a busted flush politically by the time the accusations arose imo, I don't see him as a threat that had to be conspired against by shady means.

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What do folk think about this?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeons-husband-admits-sending-22798102

Paul Hutcheon seems to think it'll cause some tectonic upheaval, maybe he's right but I can't help feeling it's a bit like Kirsty Wark's documentary about it, they're more interested in the story than most folk, who have already moved on. If Salmond was to push for something then maybe but I don't think he's totally lost his political acumen.

 

I’m all for a good political scandal but in the current climate I find it very hard to give a f**k about any of this.

 

I don’t see it really breaking through to the wider public, aside from in a ‘Salmond is a creep’ way.

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I suppose the Galaxy brain take is Murrell is an intelligence asset and MI5 will keep him and Sturgeon from any harm. 

Back on planet earth, I don't think the coverage should be viewed as an attack on the SNP. You don't want to come across as having a siege mentality as if you were in Ibrox. A slightly spiky press is a good thing in the main. I'm just wondering if folk care as much as press do.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Paco said:

 

I’m all for a good political scandal but in the current climate I find it very hard to give a f**k about any of this.

 

I don’t see it really breaking through to the wider public, aside from in a ‘Salmond is a creep’ way.

Aye pretty much this, just curious if anyone else had a persuasive alternative take.

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Having a siege mentality against the press is also useless when you don’t do anything about it except whinge as proven by Labour 2016-2019 and also virtually the rest of its existence

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Has anyone actually met anyone outside the usual frothing political classes who is even vaguely interested in any of this?

The Tories are flogging a dead horse here when it comes to political targets.

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Has anyone actually met anyone outside the usual frothing political classes who is even vaguely interested in any of this?

 

The Tories are flogging a dead horse here when it comes to political targets.

Nope. The only folk I've noticed with any major interest in this are racist Sevco fans (who as we all know have a slightly unhealthy obsession with sex offences), Yes Das who are convinced it's all a mental MI5 plot, journos and the Blurt. Normal members of society don't give a shiny shite.

 

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3 hours ago, Day of the Lords said:

Nope. The only folk I've noticed with any major interest in this are racist Sevco fans (who as we all know have a slightly unhealthy obsession with sex offences), Yes Das who are convinced it's all a mental MI5 plot, journos and the Blurt. Normal members of society don't give a shiny shite.

 

The same people are aghast at Murrell for allegedly maligning Salmond whilst simultaneously retaining the view that Salmond was/ is a beast irrespective of the result of the trial. Spinning like tops.

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Just a reminder to all those slandering an innocent man.

Trial by jury is fair....... and the man was found not guilty.

Subsequent trial by gossipy internet weirdo nonentities is not fair.

Said weirdo gossipy nonentities continue to find him guilty........it all goes towards carefully pushing the narrative that he really is a wrongun and thus is finished.

We are in a situation where independence supporters are effectively being asked by current leadership to sanction the cancellation of the individual who brought us closer to independence than any other in 300 years.

Ask the Murrell's why? 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, MixuFruit said:

What do folk think about this?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeons-husband-admits-sending-22798102

Paul Hutcheon seems to think it'll cause some tectonic upheaval, maybe he's right but I can't help feeling it's a bit like Kirsty Wark's documentary about it, they're more interested in the story than most folk, who have already moved on. If Salmond was to push for something then maybe but I don't think he's totally lost his political acumen.

I don't get the scandal of the messages. Pressurise the police to investigate more accusations by SNP members of Salmond's behaviour seems like something the SNP leadership should be doing. Is Murrell meant to not be bothered  in trying to get justice when he has been told of credible accusations?

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45 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said:

Just a reminder to all those slandering an innocent man.

Trial by jury is fair....... and the man was found not guilty.

Subsequent trial by gossipy internet weirdo nonentities is not fair.

Said weirdo gossipy nonentities continue to find him guilty........it all goes towards carefully pushing the narrative that he really is a wrongun and thus is finished.

We are in a situation where independence supporters are effectively being asked by current leadership to sanction the cancellation of the individual who brought us closer to independence than any other in 300 years.

Ask the Murrell's why? 

 

Salmond is #cancelled because he lost elections and because he took Russian state TV money.

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6 hours ago, git-intae-thum said:

Just a reminder to all those slandering an innocent man.

Trial by jury is fair....... and the man was found not guilty.

Subsequent trial by gossipy internet weirdo nonentities is not fair.

Said weirdo gossipy nonentities continue to find him guilty........it all goes towards carefully pushing the narrative that he really is a wrongun and thus is finished.

We are in a situation where independence supporters are effectively being asked by current leadership to sanction the cancellation of the individual who brought us closer to independence than any other in 300 years.

Ask the Murrell's why? 

 

Salmond is yesterday's man. No one can deny the work he did in even making a referendum relevant never mind a possibility of independence but as a politician, he IS finished, regardless of the case that was made, and ultimately failed against him. He is far too divisive a figure to be near the SNP or indeed at the forefront of ANY independence campaign. To suggestthe leadership are asking supporters to "Cancel" Salmond is utterly ridiculous. You'll be postulating MI5 conspiracy theories next. 

As for the case itself, other than bunny boilers like Kirsty Wark, I think the general consensus is that the verdicts were fair but he's probably a bit of a lech. 

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7 hours ago, git-intae-thum said:

Just a reminder to all those slandering an innocent man.

Trial by jury is fair....... and the man was found not guilty.

Subsequent trial by gossipy internet weirdo nonentities is not fair.

Said weirdo gossipy nonentities continue to find him guilty........it all goes towards carefully pushing the narrative that he really is a wrongun and thus is finished.

We are in a situation where independence supporters are effectively being asked by current leadership to sanction the cancellation of the individual who brought us closer to independence than any other in 300 years.

Ask the Murrell's why?

Assume for a moment that Salmond rejoins the SNP and manages to get back in charge. Do you think the SNP vote would go up or down? Do you think support for independence would go up or down?

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17 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Assume for a moment that Salmond rejoins the SNP and manages to get back in charge. Do you think the SNP vote would go up or down? Do you think support for independence would go up or down?

IMO Alex Salmond knows full well his race has run.

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3 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

IMO Alex Salmond knows full well his race has run.

I'd agree, I always wonder what folk agitating for his return think would actually happen if he did.

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