John Lambies Doos Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 I presume all people who came on here to demonize him will be offering their apologies? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, The DA said: To a politician? Legally? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Any "comeback" Alex Salmond thinks he is going to have is going to be derailed by his admitting of a "sleepy cuddle" even if it didn't rise to the level of criminality. Takes 2 to have a "sleepy cuddle". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, carpetmonster said: Legally? Socially. Reputation. Future prospects. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Any "comeback" Alex Salmond thinks he is going to have is going to be derailed by his admitting of a "sleepy cuddle" even if it didn't rise to the level of criminality. Presumably you'll have missed who the UK Prime minister and President of the US are. If anything, not being a creepy sex case seems to be a hindrance these days. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: Takes 2 to have a "sleepy cuddle". As someone who had to share a double bed on a stag do with an 18 stone bloke who looks like Gentle Ben, no; no it doesn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, The DA said: 'Not proven' has a stigma attached. I can't prove you've raped someone. But it can't be disproved either. So even although you won't go to jail, i'll just continue to believe that you did. Is that what you mean? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 People on this thread talking as if allegations of sexual misconduct are guaranteed to sink political careers when the literal Donald Trump is sitting in the White House. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, carpetmonster said: As someone who had to share a double bed on a stag do with an 18 stone bloke who looks like Gentle Ben, no; no it doesn't. Yeah. "Had to". Sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, The DA said: Socially. Reputation. Future prospects. If he is defamed or slandered, he can file the necessary lawsuits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, BawWatchin said: I can't prove you've raped someone. But it can't be disproved either. So even although you won't go to jail, i'll just continue to believe that you did. Is that what you mean? Effectively. The following puts it quite well https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/1992/has-a-verdict-of-not-proven-ever-had-a-different-effect-to-one-of-not-guilty Quote Both in the "solemn" and the "summary" acquittals, not proven is interpreted as indicating that the jury or judge, respectively, is not convinced of the innocence of the accused; in fact, they may be morally or even factually convinced that the accused is guilty, but do not find the proofs sufficient for a conviction under the elements of the crime on the jury instruction/verdict form. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 People on this thread talking as if allegations of sexual misconduct are guaranteed to sink political careers when the literal Donald Trump is sitting in the White House. Derek MacKay might disagree. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, The DA said: Effectively. The following puts it quite well https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/1992/has-a-verdict-of-not-proven-ever-had-a-different-effect-to-one-of-not-guilty In that case. We're all potentially rapists, murderers and god knows what else. Just because none of us have been found guilty, doesn't mean we're innocent right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: In that case. We're all potentially rapists, murderers and god knows what else. Just because none of us have been found guilty, doesn't mean we're innocent right? I didn't invent the 'not proven' verdict. If it meant the same as 'not guilty', it wouldn't need to exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, The DA said: I didn't invent the 'not proven' verdict. If it meant the same as 'not guilty', it wouldn't need to exist. The only people who can answer why a not proven instead of not guilty verdict is delivered are the jurors on the specific case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn Necessities Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: I presume all people who came on here to demonize him will be offering their apologies? Thats certainly what happened when OJ was vindicated in court.. It sure showed those wrongful accusers what a mistake they'd made... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: As someone who had to share a double bed on a stag do with an 18 stone bloke who looks like Gentle Ben, no; no it doesn't. As R W Service put it in the risque Eskimo Nell, 'Have you ever been in the great unknown with a cock in your hand that wasn't yer own' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, The DA said: I didn't invent the 'not proven' verdict. If it meant the same as 'not guilty', it wouldn't need to exist. Right. But the general consensus seems to be that when somebody is given a "not proven" verdict. It means they're guilty without proof. But never innocent without proof. Despite the burden of proof being on the prosecutor, not the defendant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn Necessities Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, DrewDon said: People on this thread talking as if allegations of sexual misconduct are guaranteed to sink political careers when the literal Donald Trump is sitting in the White House. The SNP aren't the GOP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, Thane of Cawdor said: Sensitive pronoun use. Typical of the gallantry on this site. "Their" seemed appropriate It would be presumptive to assume gender but it would also be risky to rule out multiple personality disorder at this stage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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