Nipper Salmond

[Snifter Pee Rot]

Good luck finding a jury to convict Salmo 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

 
Do you think Salmond would rather be found guilty on all the charges and receive a substantial custodial sentence?

No - he'd rather be found innocent.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Hard to see how Nippy stays as FM if there’s any kind of guilty verdict here.

This could bring the whole house of cards down, what a pity.

#WeeNicKnew

Away off and troll somewhere else.

[ford prefect]

Hard to see how Nippy stays as FM if there’s any kind of guilty verdict here.

This could bring the whole house of cards down, what a pity.

#WeeNicKnew

Another trolling scumbag to ignore. Point scoring over serious sexual assault allegations. Absolutely pitiful. To be expected though from someone who has proved themselves to be an absolute bawbag of a poster both here and on b&wa. Zero self awareness

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

Regarding the multiple charges my experience of being on a High Court Jury was as so:

There was a charge list about 8 or 9 things long, one of which was infinitely more serious than the rest. They had him bang to rights for the petty stuff, and presented all the evidence of those crimes before dropping them all to concentrate on the 'real' charge, for which the evidence was flimsy at best. Basically they were trying to convince us of the guy's guilt for the big charge by presenting him as a criminal with the other stuff. 

Not that that could possibly be relevant in this case...

Edited January 25, 2019 by Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo

[ICTJohnboy]

26 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said:

Regarding the multiple charges my experience of being on a High Court Jury was as so:

There was a charge list about 8 or 9 things long, one of which was infinitely more serious than the rest. They had him bang to rights for the petty stuff, and presented all the evidence of those crimes before dropping them all to concentrate on the 'real' charge, for which the evidence was flimsy at best. Basically they were trying to convince us of the guy's guilt for the big charge by presenting him as a criminal with the other stuff. 

Not that that could possibly be relevant in this case...

 

Absolutely not.

Unthinkable even..

[DeeTillEhDeh]

These public rape/sexual assault cases are horrible and bring out the very worst in people.
I have an ex school friend who is staunch no voter, a man who normally is vehemently innocent until proven guilty in 99% of  publicly played out rape cases, who is all over social media today sharing tabloid headlines etc, clearly delighted at all this.
Guilty or innocent it's grotesque that people take such pleasure in these things if it suits their agenda.  I don't care who it is I really think all these things should be done anonymously until there's a conclusion.  That may not be possible in practice but these things always make me quite uncomfortable.

The Scottish Sun unsubtely playing to that agenda by using the SNP's colours for their front page headlines.

[Jacksgranda]

4 hours ago, steve55 said:

 

"So it's this long?"

[Detournement]

Does Salmond shave his legs?

If so then there's no point even bothering with a trial.

[Loondave1]

Agreed on the ‘no criminality’ wording. ie, he’s not denying it happened but as far as he’s concerned it was just a bit of heavy petting and a misunderstanding.

That is going to go down like a lead balloon as a defence. God help him if it turns into an episode of On the Buses went wrong.

[printer]

Not Proven would probably be the worst verdict for everyone

I think Salmond would prefer it to guilty.

 

ETA Miles too late with this. [emoji4]

[Detournement]

I'll be very surprised if this ever comes to court.

[Moonglum25]

19 minutes ago, Detournement said:

I'll be very surprised if this ever comes to court.

Why

[Detournement]

2 minutes ago, Moonglum25 said:

Why

The Crown won't want to risk losing and Salmond has the money to have top lawyers working on getting charges thrown out before the trial even begins. We have already seen the difference money and power makes with Salmond's victory at the Court of Session.

There may be more evidence we don't know about the allegations leaked to the Daily Record amount to a He said/She said.

[jester]

The news that Alex Salmond had been charged with numerous counts of alleged rape and sexual assault came as a bombshell to many of us in the independence movement in Scotland. Alex Salmond was the driving force behind our campaign in 2014 and inspired many of us who previously weren’t involved to get active in Scottish politics. There has been a long history of British Nationalists in Scotland attempting to smear the former First Minister while in office by sharing smears and innuendo, none of which bear repeating. The charges he now faces are serious and the nature of these alleged offences will come to light in court. At present he is, in the eyes of the law, guilty of nothing, and maintains that he is not guilty. As a friend and inspiration to the pro-Scottish independence movement it is our hope that Mr Salmond is indeed not guilty of the charges brought against him. This is not to say we have chosen his side of the story over the allegations of the complainants; neither side has had their chance to produce their evidence in court, and until such time no judgement can or should be made.

What we do find utterly distasteful is the sheer hypocrisy of the British Nationalists across Scotland who have reacted with glee at these allegations while celebrating the predicament of a man they clearly revile. The sickening triumphalism displayed by these ‘Holy Willie’s’ is horrifying, and made all the more so by their trolling of the pro-Scottish community online, rounding on words of support for Mr Salmond with the retort of “have you no sympathy for the (alleged) victims?”. The idea would never of course enter their heads that they themselves were tastelessly exploiting these women for political and ideological gain.

Mr Salmond will at some point in the future face a trial which will involve a jury and this raises a number of issues. Mr Salmond is undoubtedly a divisive figure. No Scot doesn’t know him, and few will have no opinion of his character in one way or another. We genuinely would like to think that the serious nature of the allegations would be weighed up by the jury on the merits of the evidence and the evidence alone. If the evidence warranted a guilty verdict who in the pro-Scottish independence community would be willing to give Mr Salmond a free pass merely because he is Alex Salmond? Gey few we would hope. Would the converse be as clear cut? That’s debatable. There is a significant community who have already found Mr Salmond guilty before a word of evidence has been introduced and would like nothing more than to assist in putting the rubber stamp on his conviction, even if the evidence indicates otherwise. The actions of the jury in this case will be scrutinised at a level greater than any trial which has ever taken place in Scotland, but the simple question is this; can Alex Salmond receive a fair trial in Scotland, having already been found guilty by the vast majority of the press and a significant proportion of the electorate of whom the jury will be drawn? Probably not.

What should not be overlooked is that whether Alex Salmond is innocent or guilty of the charges laid against him, this has no bearing on whether Scotland is big enough, smart enough and rich enough to be an independent nation. The gutter press might like to believe that to be the case, and they will tell those who still buy their tawdry rags that this is the case, but it’s as far from the truth as any of the lies they have printed in the past. File it under wishful thinking on their part. 

https://airdrieforindependence.wordpress.com/2019/01/26/holy-willie-the-glee-of-the-british-nationalists-over-alex-salmond/

[O'Kelly Isley III]

22 minutes ago, jester said:

The news that Alex Salmond had been charged with numerous counts of alleged rape and sexual assault came as a bombshell to many of us in the independence movement in Scotland. Alex Salmond was the driving force behind our campaign in 2014 and inspired many of us who previously weren’t involved to get active in Scottish politics. There has been a long history of British Nationalists in Scotland attempting to smear the former First Minister while in office by sharing smears and innuendo, none of which bear repeating. The charges he now faces are serious and the nature of these alleged offences will come to light in court. At present he is, in the eyes of the law, guilty of nothing, and maintains that he is not guilty. As a friend and inspiration to the pro-Scottish independence movement it is our hope that Mr Salmond is indeed not guilty of the charges brought against him. This is not to say we have chosen his side of the story over the allegations of the complainants; neither side has had their chance to produce their evidence in court, and until such time no judgement can or should be made.

What we do find utterly distasteful is the sheer hypocrisy of the British Nationalists across Scotland who have reacted with glee at these allegations while celebrating the predicament of a man they clearly revile. The sickening triumphalism displayed by these ‘Holy Willie’s’ is horrifying, and made all the more so by their trolling of the pro-Scottish community online, rounding on words of support for Mr Salmond with the retort of “have you no sympathy for the (alleged) victims?”. The idea would never of course enter their heads that they themselves were tastelessly exploiting these women for political and ideological gain.

Mr Salmond will at some point in the future face a trial which will involve a jury and this raises a number of issues. Mr Salmond is undoubtedly a divisive figure. No Scot doesn’t know him, and few will have no opinion of his character in one way or another. We genuinely would like to think that the serious nature of the allegations would be weighed up by the jury on the merits of the evidence and the evidence alone. If the evidence warranted a guilty verdict who in the pro-Scottish independence community would be willing to give Mr Salmond a free pass merely because he is Alex Salmond? Gey few we would hope. Would the converse be as clear cut? That’s debatable. There is a significant community who have already found Mr Salmond guilty before a word of evidence has been introduced and would like nothing more than to assist in putting the rubber stamp on his conviction, even if the evidence indicates otherwise. The actions of the jury in this case will be scrutinised at a level greater than any trial which has ever taken place in Scotland, but the simple question is this; can Alex Salmond receive a fair trial in Scotland, having already been found guilty by the vast majority of the press and a significant proportion of the electorate of whom the jury will be drawn? Probably not.

What should not be overlooked is that whether Alex Salmond is innocent or guilty of the charges laid against him, this has no bearing on whether Scotland is big enough, smart enough and rich enough to be an independent nation. The gutter press might like to believe that to be the case, and they will tell those who still buy their tawdry rags that this is the case, but it’s as far from the truth as any of the lies they have printed in the past. File it under wishful thinking on their part. 

https://airdrieforindependence.wordpress.com/2019/01/26/holy-willie-the-glee-of-the-british-nationalists-over-alex-salmond/

I attended a Burns Supper last night and the subject was raised (not by myself) at our table of seven people.  There was a short, civilised discussion and the consensus was that this case requires to be treated as would any other involving such serious charges, but it was important to make the distinction that as things stand it is Alex Salmond who may face eventual court proceedings and not the SNP, the Yes movement, the cause of Scottish Nationalism per se or even the Sandringham Women's Institute.

In saying that, no-one was in any doubt of the gravity of the accusations, with the likelihood that both plaintiffs and the defendant potentially face an extraordinary degree of public scrutiny, which the rabid media will attempt to exploit for their own ends - it was ever thus.  Like Alex Salmond, we all of us need to retain faith in the Scottish justice system.

[jester]

12 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I attended a Burns Supper last night and the subject was raised (not by myself) at our table of seven people.  There was a short, civilised discussion and the consensus was that this case requires to be treated as would any other involving such serious charges, but it was important to make the distinction that as things stand it is Alex Salmond who may face eventual court proceedings and not the SNP, the Yes movement, the cause of Scottish Nationalism per se or even the Sandringham Women's Institute.

In saying that, no-one was in any doubt of the gravity of the accusations, with the likelihood that both plaintiffs and the defendant potentially face an extraordinary degree of public scrutiny, which the rabid media will attempt to exploit for their own ends - it was ever thus.  Like Alex Salmond, we all of us need to retain faith in the Scottish justice system.

Had a discussion with a friend this morning who was of the opinion that this may have to go down a Lockerbie type trial because of the circumstances I mentioned. He's no admirer of Salmond but is of the firm belief that he cannot hope to receive a fair trial by jury in Scotland.

[AyrExile]

46 minutes ago, jester said:

Had a discussion with a friend this morning who was of the opinion that this may have to go down a Lockerbie type trial because of the circumstances I mentioned. He's no admirer of Salmond but is of the firm belief that he cannot hope to receive a fair trial by jury in Scotland.

Try him in the Old Bailey. If the judge decides it’s the pokey he can become a politcal prisoner by blaming it all on big bad Westmonster before going on a hunger strike 

[Moonglum25]

2 hours ago, Detournement said:

The Crown won't want to risk losing and Salmond has the money to have top lawyers working on getting charges thrown out before the trial even begins. We have already seen the difference money and power makes with Salmond's victory at the Court of Session.

There may be more evidence we don't know about the allegations leaked to the Daily Record amount to a He said/She said.

The Crown have no choice but to go ahead. They have a duty to prosecute on behalf of the complainers and in the name of justice.  They will already have an idea that the evidence is sufficient to secure a conviction or else they would not have charged him.  I would be surprised if any charges were "thrown out" before the trial begins.  Where is Salmond getting the money for his defence team?  Another public appeal or will he seek legal Aid?

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, jester said:

Had a discussion with a friend this morning who was of the opinion that this may have to go down a Lockerbie type trial because of the circumstances I mentioned. He's no admirer of Salmond but is of the firm belief that he cannot hope to receive a fair trial by jury in Scotland.

Can't see them moving the trial to The Hague tbh. Lots of famous and controversial figures have had jury trials, you just have to be careful with the selection to find people capable of putting prejudice aside and going strictly on the evidence.