parsforlife Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 If riordan, o'conner or Griffiths decided to screw the nut at any point during their careers, OR if Nisbet, shankland or to go back a little bit dobbie took things seriously before they ended up at last chance salon for FT football whilst robertson chucked thing following his release by celtic, Tierney decided to give up after any one of his injuries and Hickey used his move abroad to chase women and drink beer, we'd be sitting here wondering why taylor is comfortably first choice left back with little behind him when we have consistently produced top class strikers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 If riordan, o'conner or Griffiths decided to screw the nut at any point during their careers, OR if Nisbet, shankland or to go back a little bit dobbie took things seriously before they ended up at last chance salon for FT football whilst robertson chucked thing following his release by celtic, Tierney decided to give up after any one of his injuries and Hickey used his move abroad to chase women and drink beer, we'd be sitting here wondering why taylor is comfortably first choice left back with little behind him when we have consistently produced top class strikers. Still steaming? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahemps Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 18 hours ago, HuttonDressedAsLahm said: We probably won’t create a Lukaku or Haaland, but a country of our size should be absolutely capable of making a Zahavi/Dolberg/Braithwaite/Schick/King/Sorloth/Bamford-level striker capable of performing for a Europa League, or low-level Champions League team. How can we not create a Haaland? Norway have produced a Haaland, Bosnia have a Dzeko, Wales produced Bale, Ireland produced a Robbie Keane, even Serbia have produced Mitrovic and one of the top prospects in Europe in Vlahovic recently. Would you say these countries have superior youth setups and facilities than Scotland? We have been very unfortunate not to have produced a top striker for such a long time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Duncan Ferguson not being a / an 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanbrush Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 How many strikers have the Old Firm produced in the last 20 to 25 years between them? Absolutely damning 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, tartanbrush said: How many strikers have the Old Firm produced in the last 20 to 25 years between them? Absolutely damning Strikers eligible for Scotland to have came through the youth ranks at the Old Firm who have at least one first team appearance since 2000: Rangers/Sevco Tom Brighton Steven MacLean Darryl Duffy Bob Davidson Ross McCormack Steven Lennon Rory Loy Barrie McKay Kal Naismith Calum Gallagher Ryan Hardie Dapo Mebude Celtic Mark Burchill Shaun Maloney Simon Lynch Craig Beattie James Keatings Denny Johnson Jack Aitchison Don't think I've missed anyone obvious there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 55 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Strikers eligible for Scotland to have came through the youth ranks at the Old Firm who have at least one first team appearance since 2000: Rangers/Sevco Tom Brighton Steven MacLean Darryl Duffy Bob Davidson Ross McCormack Steven Lennon Rory Loy Barrie McKay Kal Naismith Calum Gallagher Ryan Hardie Dapo Mebude Celtic Mark Burchill Shaun Maloney Simon Lynch Craig Beattie James Keatings Denny Johnson Jack Aitchison Don't think I've missed anyone obvious there? Remember Denny Johnstone was meant to be the next big thing. He's scored less than 30 goals in the last 7 years or something! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, ArabianKnight said: Remember Denny Johnstone was meant to be the next big thing. He's scored less than 30 goals in the last 7 years or something! I don’t tbh, there’s always one that scores for fun in the youths but I don’t remember him being massively talked about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanbrush Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Strikers eligible for Scotland to have came through the youth ranks at the Old Firm who have at least one first team appearance since 2000: Rangers/Sevco Tom Brighton Steven MacLean Darryl Duffy Bob Davidson Ross McCormack Steven Lennon Rory Loy Barrie McKay Kal Naismith Calum Gallagher Ryan Hardie Dapo Mebude Celtic Mark Burchill Shaun Maloney Simon Lynch Craig Beattie James Keatings Denny Johnson Jack Aitchison Don't think I've missed anyone obvious there? So absolutely no one then? They literally havn't produced one international class striker between them. Maloney and McCormack are the only ones and even then Maloney was an attacking Midfielder and McCormack had to go to Motherwell to make a name for himself. It is indeed an absolutely pathetic list of strikers they have amassed between themselves, for the two biggest clubs in Scotland to produce that standard of striker for the last 25 years is utterly shocking. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanbrush Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Karlan Grant scoring tonight for WBA seems to be in decent form this season. Powerful and quick looks a not bad player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Just now, tartanbrush said: Karlan Grant scoring tonight for WBA seems to be in decent form this season. Powerful and quick looks a not bad player Hes one I've been touting for a while also, we should definitely be asking the question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, tartanbrush said: Karlan Grant scoring tonight for WBA seems to be in decent form this season. Powerful and quick looks a not bad player 5 goals in 5 games and apparently quite a good one tonight. I'd imagine we will be asking him for next squad due to lack of strikers so if he doesn't appear he wont be interested. Edited October 15, 2021 by red23 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, ahemps said: How can we not create a Haaland? Norway have produced a Haaland, Bosnia have a Dzeko, Wales produced Bale, Ireland produced a Robbie Keane, even Serbia have produced Mitrovic and one of the top prospects in Europe in Vlahovic recently. Would you say these countries have superior youth setups and facilities than Scotland? We have been very unfortunate not to have produced a top striker for such a long time. Scotland will never produce a Haaland through design, its just daft to suggest Norway did either. Hes a physical freak of nature who is 6 foot 4 but can still run 60m in ~6.6 seconds, a pace that would put him in the top 60 sprinters over the past World Athletics season. Honestly just weird how many folk think its a reasonable expectation for more than one country in a generation to get someone like him. I don't think a single one of those players were in their countries of birth when they turned 19? Bale was in English football before he was 10 for example. Dzeko was a failed CM who was close to giving up the game before a Czech side turned him into a striker, did Bosnia "produce" the player he became? Did Wales "produce" the player Bale was? Or are you crediting these Countries for their physical attributes? FWIW I'd absolutely say Serbia have a better youth set up than Scotland. Partizan alone probably produce more quality players a decade than Rangers and Celtic combined. Edited October 15, 2021 by RandomGuy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 23 hours ago, parsforlife said: If riordan, o'conner or Griffiths decided to screw the nut at any point during their careers, OR if Nisbet, shankland or to go back a little bit dobbie took things seriously before they ended up at last chance salon for FT football whilst robertson chucked thing following his release by celtic, Tierney decided to give up after any one of his injuries and Hickey used his move abroad to chase women and drink beer, we'd be sitting here wondering why taylor is comfortably first choice left back with little behind him when we have consistently produced top class strikers. what the hell is that all about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 8 hours ago, red23 said: what the hell is that all about? It's still miles better than the shite you post if we're being fair about things. -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 8 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Scotland will never produce a Haaland through design, its just daft to suggest Norway did either. Hes a physical freak of nature who is 6 foot 4 but can still run 60m in ~6.6 seconds, a pace that would put him in the top 60 sprinters over the past World Athletics season. Honestly just weird how many folk think its a reasonable expectation for more than one country in a generation to get someone like him. I don't think a single one of those players were in their countries of birth when they turned 19? Bale was in English football before he was 10 for example. Dzeko was a failed CM who was close to giving up the game before a Czech side turned him into a striker, did Bosnia "produce" the player he became? Did Wales "produce" the player Bale was? Or are you crediting these Countries for their physical attributes? FWIW I'd absolutely say Serbia have a better youth set up than Scotland. Partizan alone probably produce more quality players a decade than Rangers and Celtic combined. In the 3 tournaments Serbia have competed in, Partizan have produced 9 players, for the national squad. 2006 -4 2010 - 2 2018 - 3 Celtic produced 5 players for the last Euros. Rangers 2. I'm not defending the old firm here, I'm just pointing out that the top clubs of the countries don't produce as many players as people think. Crvena Zvezda produced the most for Serbia, with 10 players over the 3 tournaments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanbrush Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 10 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Scotland will never produce a Haaland through design, its just daft to suggest Norway did either. Hes a physical freak of nature who is 6 foot 4 but can still run 60m in ~6.6 seconds, a pace that would put him in the top 60 sprinters over the past World Athletics season Sounds like someone I know.... A certain Mr Olly Burke anyone... Olly Burke hasn't and never has had the mentality to become a top football player, had all the attributes needed apart from the most important mentality and a will to improve. What a disappointment that boys been. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albagubrath Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 1 hour ago, tartanbrush said: Sounds like someone I know.... A certain Mr Olly Burke anyone... Olly Burke hasn't and never has had the mentality to become a top football player, had all the attributes needed apart from the most important mentality and a will to improve. What a disappointment that boys been. Console yourself with the fact that had he been anywhere near the player Haaland is, he would have played in white, not blue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Console yourself with the fact that had he been anywhere near the player Haaland is, he would have played in white, not blue.Going by that logic, surely Haaland would be playing for England as well given he was born in Leeds. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Console yourself with the fact that had he been anywhere near the player Haaland is, he would have played in white, not blue.Oli Burke is Scottish, why would he have played for England? He was one of the hottest prospects in Europe when he made his debut with us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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