red23 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Get big Karlan Grant in 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Have to hope Adams is fit but Nisbet probably deserves to keep his squad place and could start. It could be the return of McBurnie given that he has been in the squads before. Could be another tough night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdeen1970 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) It's absolutely astonishing that we appear not to be producing any young Scottish strikers. Seeing Middleton played up front on his own for the under 21s the other day was a sore one especially when you consider that the two first choice strikers in the full team are assimilated. Why is there such a dearth of good young Scottish forwards? And its not a recent thing either. Edited October 13, 2021 by aberdeen1970 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: It's absolutely astonishing that we appear not to be producing any young Scottish strikers. Seeing Middleton played up front on his own for the under 21s the other day was a sore one especially when you consider that the two first choice strikers in the full team are assimilated. Why is there such a dearth of good young Scottish forwards? And its not a recent thing either. Blame the clubs for it Including your own Steadfastly refusing to give young Scottish strikers a chance Playing average overpaid foreigners instead, for about 25 plus years now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdeen1970 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Binos said: Blame the clubs for it Including your own Steadfastly refusing to give young Scottish strikers a chance Playing average overpaid foreigners instead, for about 25 plus years now Aye. But young defenders and midfielders seem to find a way to break through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: Aye. But young defenders and midfielders seem to find a way to break through. Because the clubs spend their money on the strikers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 If these brilliant young Scottish strikers are out there and just aren't given a chance then how come they aren't popping up in the Championship and scoring 30 goals a season? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdeen1970 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, craigkillie said: If these brilliant young Scottish strikers are out there and just aren't given a chance then how come they aren't popping up in the Championship and scoring 30 goals a season? Exactly. Whilst clubs bringing in foreigners doesn't help matters its clearly a deeper rooted issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Blood Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, aberdeen1970 said: It's absolutely astonishing that we appear not to be producing any young Scottish strikers. Seeing Middleton played up front on his own for the under 21s the other day was a sore one especially when you consider that the two first choice strikers in the full team are assimilated. Why is there such a dearth of good young Scottish forwards? And its not a recent thing either. It honestly feels like we are cursed. We either have zero coming through, or the ones that do come through have some sort of issue that affects their availability or development. Probably the only striker we've had consistently available with seemingly no issues was Kenny Miller. Almost all others had bad injuries, attitude problems, court cases, disinterest, etc etc. I could name at least 10 promising strikers the past 2 decades that amounted to very little for one reason or another. Fingers crossed Dykes, Adams and Nisbet have broken the curse and continue to do well. Edited October 13, 2021 by Tartan Blood 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 9 hours ago, Tartan Blood said: It honestly feels like we are cursed. We either have zero coming through, or the ones that do come through have some sort of issue that affects their availability or development. Probably the only striker we've had consistently available with seemingly no issues was Kenny Miller. Almost all others had bad injuries, attitude problems, court cases, disinterest, etc etc. I could name at least 10 promising strikers the past 2 decades that amounted to very little for one reason or another. Fingers crossed Dykes, Adams and Nisbet have broken the curse and continue to do well. Dykes an Australian, Adams English, Nisbet through the lower league routes Our top flight clubs refuse to give their young strikers any top flight game time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Blood Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, Binos said: Dykes an Australian, Adams English, Nisbet through the lower league routes Our top flight clubs refuse to give their young strikers any top flight game time I was thinking the same thing. And none of them emerged until 23/24 either. We are very lucky to have those 3, when we might have still been persevering with McBurnie. Would we have even been at the Euros had we not uncovered Dykes? Who knows. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkmenbashi Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 37 minutes ago, Binos said: Dykes an Australian, Adams English, Nisbet through the lower league routes Our top flight clubs refuse to give their young strikers any top flight game time Absolute shite. Most Scottish clubs are fairly decent at giving young players a chance (maybe with some exceptions). The problem is the players being produced by the youth system clearly aren't good enough, so the problem probably starts even younger. Probably the coaching, idk. If all Scottish premierships played Scottish centre forwards from the youth team who clearly weren't good enough that wouldn't make things any better for the national team. Blaming foreign players is the easy option when the issue probably starts with the quality of coaching. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Blood Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Turkmenbashi said: Absolute shite. Most Scottish clubs are fairly decent at giving young players a chance (maybe with some exceptions). The problem is the players being produced by the youth system clearly aren't good enough, so the problem probably starts even younger. Probably the coaching, idk. If all Scottish premierships played Scottish centre forwards from the youth team who clearly weren't good enough that wouldn't make things any better for the national team. Blaming foreign players is the easy option when the issue probably starts with the quality of coaching. It's partly that they aren't good enough, but, also, the ones that would have been good enough have massive egos, or attitude problems, or something else. Maybe a bit more sport pyschology would help. The 2 best youth players of recent years have come from the performance schools. That's not a coincidence. The schools should either be expanded, or the practices implemented by all clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Surely dykes only misses the Moldova game. If we can’t beat them with what we have then we don’t deserve to qualify 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turkmenbashi said: Absolute shite. Most Scottish clubs are fairly decent at giving young players a chance (maybe with some exceptions). The problem is the players being produced by the youth system clearly aren't good enough, so the problem probably starts even younger. Probably the coaching, idk. If all Scottish premierships played Scottish centre forwards from the youth team who clearly weren't good enough that wouldn't make things any better for the national team. Blaming foreign players is the easy option when the issue probably starts with the quality of coaching. Exactly. There are any number of young guys getting an opportunity throughout the SPL. There are kids getting debuts at 16 and 17, and some seriously impressive breakout seasons being experienced (Doig, Ramsay etc.) The problem we have is not that they aren't being given a chance, but that we aren't creating goalscorers. Celtic's Colts team are being shown up to be woefully unprepared for the Lowland League. Rangers are performing significantly better, but neither gives any view that they'd be able to cope with L2. If either of these teams had an 18-year-old kid with half the talent of Haaland/Lukaku they'd be scoring hat tricks every week at that level. Tony Weston of Rangers has 10 goals in the LL, but that is far from prolific, given they've played 13 games including Vale of Leithen (and as far as I can tell he's English, so it doesn't matter anyway). Anyone got a view? Edited October 14, 2021 by HuttonDressedAsLahm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 It's partly that they aren't good enough, but, also, the ones that would have been good enough have massive egos, or attitude problems, or something else. Maybe a bit more sport pyschology would help. The 2 best youth players of recent years have come from the performance schools. That's not a coincidence. The schools should either be expanded, or the practices implemented by all clubs. The best two youth players of recent years are Billy Gilmour and David Turnbull, the latter of whom wasn't from a performance school. I think the performance schools are a good thing, but I think Billy Gilmour was destined to make it regardless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambieBud Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Are all the future superstar strikers not playing in this years lowland league? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, CambieBud said: Are all the future superstar strikers not playing in this years lowland league? Josh Cooper is a winger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albagubrath Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, craigkillie said: The best two youth players of recent years are Billy Gilmour and David Turnbull, the latter of whom wasn't from a performance school. I think the performance schools are a good thing, but I think Billy Gilmour was destined to make it regardless. That's subjective. I presume the other he was referring to is Nathan Patterson. Not in my top two either, but I can see why it could be argued - 3 years younger, more caps, more impact on the national team. Patterson did go to a performance school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Turkmenbashi said: Absolute shite. Most Scottish clubs are fairly decent at giving young players a chance (maybe with some exceptions). The problem is the players being produced by the youth system clearly aren't good enough, so the problem probably starts even younger. Probably the coaching, idk. If all Scottish premierships played Scottish centre forwards from the youth team who clearly weren't good enough that wouldn't make things any better for the national team. Blaming foreign players is the easy option when the issue probably starts with the quality of coaching. Wake up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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