8MileBU Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 With Selkirk looking almost certainly done for, it pretty much guarantees at least one 6th placed Conference club a place in next year's EoS Premier. Have things taken a further turn for the worse at Selkirk or are you just referring to lasts months happenings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, 8MileBU said: What are the latest developments at Selkirk? They've just withdrawn from the Lowland League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 They've just withdrawn from the Lowland League Cheers. Shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: With Selkirk looking almost certainly done for, it pretty much guarantees at least one 6th placed Conference club a place in next year's EoS Premier. 2 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: They've just withdrawn from the Lowland League If we'd assume Peterhead/Elgin don't finish bottom of SPFL2; Dalbeattie/Gretna don't finish bottom of LL; and EOSL winner gets promoted... which are all pretty reasonable!... then 2 of them are guaranteed if LL champion wins promotion or 10th in SPFL2 survive, and 1 of them if HL champion wins promotion. Basically you can think of the top 6s like a "top 18" and if 1 is promoted to LL then there's space for 16 of remaining 17, unless an extra club is joining LL from above. Indeed AFAICS some permutations could see 2 promoted from EOSL to LL meaning all 6ths get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: If we'd assume Peterhead/Elgin don't finish bottom of SPFL2; Dalbeattie/Gretna don't finish bottom of LL; and EOSL winner gets promoted... which are all pretty reasonable!... then 2 of them are guaranteed if LL champion wins promotion or 10th in SPFL2 survive, and 1 of them if HL champion wins promotion. Basically you can think of the top 6s like a "top 18" and if 1 is promoted to LL then there's space for 16 of remaining 17, unless an extra club is joining LL from above. Indeed AFAICS some permutations could see 2 promoted from EOSL to LL meaning all 6ths get in. All the permutations just now hurt my head, which I left it at the guarantee of one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 If we'd assume Peterhead/Elgin don't finish bottom of SPFL2; Dalbeattie/Gretna don't finish bottom of LL; and EOSL winner gets promoted... which are all pretty reasonable!... then 2 of them are guaranteed if LL champion wins promotion or 10th in SPFL2 survive, and 1 of them if HL champion wins promotion. Basically you can think of the top 6s like a "top 18" and if 1 is promoted to LL then there's space for 16 of remaining 17, unless an extra club is joining LL from above. Indeed AFAICS some permutations could see 2 promoted from EOSL to LL meaning all 6ths get in.The implosion of Selkirk FC has been on the cards and near enough inevitable for a while now so I don’t think we’ll have to wait too long to hear what the contingency plan is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said: Gretna don't finish bottom of LL I wonder whether Gretna would drop to the EoSFL given they are EoSFA members, or the more obvious choice of the SoSFL due to geography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 There used to be a list on LL website showing where relegated clubs would go. Dalbeattie, Gretna, EK and BSCG were on SOSL list (no surprises). Oddity was Cumbernauld who were on EOSL list, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 4 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: There used to be a list on LL website showing where relegated clubs would go. Dalbeattie, Gretna, EK and BSCG were on SOSL list (no surprises). Oddity was Cumbernauld who were on EOSL list, IIRC. Cumbernauld is only a few miles fron Dunipace so would make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Dunbartonshire clubs also used to play in the Stirlingshire Cup so arguably fall under an east coast local FA in senior terms. That's a line of reasoning that could also prove useful to Clydebank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golum Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 11 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: If we'd assume Peterhead/Elgin don't finish bottom of SPFL2; Dalbeattie/Gretna don't finish bottom of LL; and EOSL winner gets promoted... which are all pretty reasonable!... then 2 of them are guaranteed if LL champion wins promotion or 10th in SPFL2 survive, and 1 of them if HL champion wins promotion. Basically you can think of the top 6s like a "top 18" and if 1 is promoted to LL then there's space for 16 of remaining 17, unless an extra club is joining LL from above. Indeed AFAICS some permutations could see 2 promoted from EOSL to LL meaning all 6ths get in. Could you advise where in the rules it says 2 promotion slots from EOS ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Golum said: Could you advise where in the rules it says 2 promotion slots from EOS ? Don't know why people getting excited winner of eosfl sosfl playoff replaces selkirk. Club 15 from lowland league would only be relegated if a lowland club relegated from league 2 and highland champions go up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Don't know why people getting excited winner of eosfl sosfl playoff replaces selkirk. Club 15 from lowland league would only be relegated if a lowland club relegated from league 2 and highland champions go up No decision has yet been made Alan, the LL will discuss it on Monday, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Golum said: Could you advise where in the rules it says 2 promotion slots from EOS ? It doesn't, and that's not what I said, but 2 could be promoted if there's a vacancy - whether by 15th being regarded as bottom, and/or the various well-known SPFL2 permutations (e.g. LL winner promoted, Elgin/Peterhead relegated). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowenan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 While it is sad news for Selkirk, and I am sure no one wants to dance on their grave. It does mean that the EOS Premier will be stronger next season, and that at least one more team will make it there from this season's EOS. It's certainly not good news, but ultimately, it will turn out to be so for one team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 48 minutes ago, lowenan said: While it is sad news for Selkirk, and I am sure no one wants to dance on their grave. It does mean that the EOS Premier will be stronger next season, and that at least one more team will make it there from this season's EOS. It's certainly not good news, but ultimately, it will turn out to be so for one team. They would actually be better if it's a 14 team leagues IMO. Top 5 from each obviously playoff winner go up with noone coming down. Leaving 24 clubs plus whoever joins syngenta anyway to make up structure below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Don't know why people getting excited winner of eosfl sosfl playoff replaces selkirk. Club 15 from lowland league would only be relegated if a lowland club relegated from league 2 and highland champions go up Yes there might be some disappointed vultures why don't we have 4 or 5 up 4 or 5 doon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Yes there might be some disappointed vultures why don't we have 4 or 5 up 4 or 5 doon Why would anyone be surprised by others trying to work out the possibilities here? There is a vacancy. None of the teams in here created it but it may impact them. There's nothing vulture like about it. Nobody has sat here waiting for a club to keel over. But it's now happened and folk want to understand what that means in terms of next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaverysam Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Why would anyone be surprised by others trying to work out the possibilities here? There is a vacancy. None of the teams in here created it but it may impact them. There's nothing vulture like about it. Nobody has sat here waiting for a club to keel over. But it's now happened and folk want to understand what that means in terms of next season. Agree with you here if anyone should be explaining its those responsible for burning about 130 years of history with the death of Selkirk FC. How could you allow this to happen, any of those responsible care to comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said: They would actually be better if it's a 14 team leagues IMO. Top 5 from each obviously playoff winner go up with noone coming down. No chance of it being downsized - and team(s) excluded which would otherwise have qualified - as a result of LL club Selkirk's demise, IMO. In any case... if had a Cove up/Cowdenbeath down scenario you'd overshoot and end-up with 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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