Burnie_man Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 The only reason that the 15th placed side are finishing bottom is because the favourites to finish 16th, and who occupied that position, folded. And the only reason they'd have the opportunity to apply would be to fill Selkirk's vacancy not their own. The second worst team in the Lowland applying against the 2nd, 3rd, 4th... best from Tier 6 (If they're even licenced) seems fair to me.They would have finished bottom and are therefore the worst. Selkirk no longer exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: 21 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: The only reason that the 15th placed side are finishing bottom is because the favourites to finish 16th, and who occupied that position, folded. And the only reason they'd have the opportunity to apply would be to fill Selkirk's vacancy not their own. The second worst team in the Lowland applying against the 2nd, 3rd, 4th... best from Tier 6 (If they're even licenced) seems fair to me. They would have finished bottom and are therefore the worst. Selkirk no longer exist. Still a 15th placed club applying for a 16th place vacancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Still a 15th placed club applying for a 16th place vacancy. Semantics, promote the two best placed finishing Licenced clubs to fill the vacancies if neccesary and don't reward failure. Three EoS Conference winners and the SoS winner, I'm willing to bet at least two will be Licenced, if not, consider the runners-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Semantics, promote the two best placed finishing Licenced clubs to fill the vacancies if neccesary and don't reward failure. Three EoS Conference winners and the SoS winner, I'm willing to bet at least two will be Licenced, if not, consider the runners-up. Let’s not reward failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Let’s not reward failure. Finishing runner up isn't the abject failure of finishing bottom, indeed in a future EoS Premier it will probably get you into a play-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Just now, Burnie_man said: 7 minutes ago, Rab B Nesbit said: Let’s not reward failure. Finishing runner up isn't the abject failure of finishing bottom, indeed in a future EoS Premier it will probably get you into a play-off. I imagine it will but you can’t just start going down the league looking for a licensed club to go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I imagine it will but you can’t just start going down the league looking for a licensed club to go up. No I agree, but at least it gives those at the top end of the level below a chance to go up without needing to rely on an application. I just can't see how voting the bottom club back in is a credible solution to filling a vacancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Just now, Burnie_man said: 3 minutes ago, Rab B Nesbit said: I imagine it will but you can’t just start going down the league looking for a licensed club to go up. No I agree, but at least it gives those at the top end of the level below a chance to go up without needing to rely on an application. I just can't see how voting the bottom club back in is a credible solution to filling a vacancy. I don’t think it is either Burnie. If it comes down to a vote I’d fully expect any application from the bottom club to re-apply to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Just now, Rab B Nesbit said: I don’t think it is either Burnie. If it comes down to a vote I’d fully expect any application from the bottom club to re-apply to fail. It might not though, this is Scottish football. I'd just like to see two strong clubs fill the vacancies (assuming there's two), and further stengthen the LL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 On 04/09/2018 at 21:33, Burnie_man said: On 04/09/2018 at 21:16, FairWeatherFan said: The only reason that the 15th placed side are finishing bottom is because the favourites to finish 16th, and who occupied that position, folded. And the only reason they'd have the opportunity to apply would be to fill Selkirk's vacancy not their own. The second worst team in the Lowland applying against the 2nd, 3rd, 4th... best from Tier 6 (If they're even licenced) seems fair to me. They would have finished bottom and are therefore the worst. Selkirk no longer exist. What if, say, 6 teams went out of business in the same season? Would the team finishing 10th still deserve to be relegated because they finished bottom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 7 hours ago, craigkillie said: What if, say, 6 teams went out of business in the same season? Would the team finishing 10th still deserve to be relegated because they finished bottom? Correct and worth noting most LL teams didn't even have a say or were even discussed on the whole issue ? Surely ALL present teams in the league should've been contacted for the meeting and allowed their tuppence worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 What if, say, 6 teams went out of business in the same season? Would the team finishing 10th still deserve to be relegated because they finished bottom?Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 It's so lop sided wi the HFL BOTTOM club going nowhere as in relegation and staying HFL every season ? That really needs sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 58 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: 9 hours ago, craigkillie said: What if, say, 6 teams went out of business in the same season? Would the team finishing 10th still deserve to be relegated because they finished bottom? Yes ...in terms of the LL constitution as written, and they would no doubt have a very good chance of getting back in through application, which is when LL clubs will get a say on what happens with team 15 and possibly team 14 after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: ...in terms of the LL constitution as written, and they would no doubt have a very good chance of getting back in through application, which is when LL clubs will get a say on what happens with team 15 and possibly team 14 after this season. We're not talking about the constitution though, we're talking about what should happen. It's pretty clear now that the constitution needs to be rewritten regardless of the eventual outcome this year. However, Burnieman's argument would imply that if the team who were bottom of the league resigned from the league prior to the final game of the season, then the team above them, who had previously been sitting safely, would now deserve to get relegated for factors completely outwith their own control. Likewise, if several teams went out of business, then a team which was previously mid-table would suddenly be in a relegation spot. That's not how such situations are handled in any other league that I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, craigkillie said: We're not talking about the constitution though, we're talking about what should happen. It's pretty clear now that the constitution needs to be rewritten regardless of the eventual outcome this year. However, Burnieman's argument would imply that if the team who were bottom of the league resigned from the league prior to the final game of the season, then the team above them, who had previously been sitting safely, would now deserve to get relegated for factors completely outwith their own control. Likewise, if several teams went out of business, then a team which was previously mid-table would suddenly be in a relegation spot. That's not how such situations are handled in any other league that I know of. They probably hoping to get away with the current constitution until this summer due to a WoSL looming and changes in the EoSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 10 hours ago, newcastle broon said: Correct and worth noting most LL teams didn't even have a say or were even discussed on the whole issue ? Surely ALL present teams in the league should've been contacted for the meeting and allowed their tuppence worth Nope, if you finish bottom - DOWN YOU GO!!!!! Not our fault that clubs like Whitehill didnt read the league constitution properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blowin In the Wind Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 For what it’s worth IMO if the pyramid system is to work there needs to be promotion and relegation in all the leagues and not by application. Only way it will progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jason King said: Nope, if you finish bottom - DOWN YOU GO!!!!! Not our fault that clubs like Whitehill didnt read the league constitution properly. Was yer finger stuck on the keyboard Who is our ? 1 minute ago, Blowin In the Wind said: For what it’s worth IMO if the pyramid system is to work there needs to be promotion and relegation in all the leagues and not by application. Only way it will progress. Including the HFL . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blowin In the Wind Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Was yer finger stuck on the keyboard Who is our ? Including the HFL . Yes including the Highland league the North and Tayside Juniors should be amalgamated into in and tier it to limit the costs of travel with maybe a 12 team top tier, a 12 team second tier then a Highland, North East and Tayside League regional leagues or a similar type structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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