GordonS Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Don't know why people getting excited winner of eosfl sosfl playoff replaces selkirk. Club 15 from lowland league would only be relegated if a lowland club relegated from league 2 and highland champions go upThe rules clearly state that the "bottom club" are related and replaced by the EoS/SoS winner (if licenced). Selkirk won't be the bottom club, they are no longer members of the LL and their record will be expunged. So Club 15 will be the bottom club. The remaining slot is to be filled by application. My bet is that'll be Club 15, but the rules say it can't be considered until the season has ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 4 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: No chance of it being downsized - and team(s) excluded which would otherwise have qualified - as a result of LL club Selkirk's demise, IMO. In any case... if had a Cove up/Cowdenbeath down scenario you'd overshoot and end-up with 15. But they wouldn't. It's guaranteed top 5 from each is 15 take away promoted club would give u 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundesliga Boy Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: But they wouldn't. It's guaranteed top 5 from each is 15 take away promoted club would give u 14. 14 yeah, but in his example he referred to a what if scenario that for example saw Cove go up and Cowdenbeath down. That would leave the Lowland League with 17 clubs therefore the second bottom side (technically the bottom now) would be relegated to the EOS Premier, making it a 15 team league under your plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: But they wouldn't. It's guaranteed top 5 from each is 15 take away promoted club would give u 14. In the guidance they note that 6th place may also qualify for the EoS Premier to balance promotion and relegation. Top 5 has always been guaranteed but they've always included the addendum with the intention of a 16 team league. https://www.eosfl.com/downloads/eosfl/The-East-of-Scotland-Football-League-Season-2018-19-Fixture-List.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 But they wouldn't. It's guaranteed top 5 from each is 15 take away promoted club would give u 14.Remember promotion isn't guaranteed, it could be a SoS side who go up, although I accept this is probably unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Just now, Bundesliga Boy said: 14 yeah, but in his example he referred to a what if scenario that for example saw Cove go up and Cowdenbeath down. That would leave the Lowland League with 17 clubs therefore the second bottom side (technically the bottom now) would be relegated to the EOS Premier, making it a 15 team league under your plan. We have 13 team leagues just now. As they did last year and the world hasn't ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundesliga Boy Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 11 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said: We have 13 team leagues just now. As they did last year and the world hasn't ended. That wasn’t the point Inwas making. 12 team leagues have worked well in past too. The point is that it’s not a rigid 14 team league as you suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Bundesliga Boy said: That wasn’t the point Inwas making. 12 team leagues have worked well in past too. The point is that it’s not a rigid 14 team league as you suggested. I think given the time constraints at end of season with playoffs and all the cups bare in mind if wosfl happens south challenge cup will be expanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 22 hours ago, GordonS said: The rules clearly state that the "bottom club" are related and replaced by the EoS/SoS winner (if licenced). Selkirk won't be the bottom club, they are no longer members of the LL and their record will be expunged. So Club 15 will be the bottom club. The remaining slot is to be filled by application. My bet is that'll be Club 15, but the rules say it can't be considered until the season has ended. Some of this is conjecture. It is not clear that a club which resigns from the league will automatically be removed from the table. Their record will be expunged, but they may still be considered as being 16th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: Some of this is conjecture. It is not clear that a club which resigns from the league will automatically be removed from the table. Their record will be expunged, but they may still be considered as being 16th. This but some have 15th already doomed? Hopefully be more clearer once they've had the meeting. What would happen if dalbeattie or Gretna finished 15th though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: Some of this is conjecture. It is not clear that a club which resigns from the league will automatically be removed from the table. Their record will be expunged, but they may still be considered as being 16th. Can you relegate a club that no longer even exists and has fully withdrawn from league membership? They didn't word their constitution carefully enough. I think Gordon S got it right on what's likely to happen. The 15th placed team will technically be relegated if there is a licensed champion available for promotion but will be voted back in to fill the vacancy. It will be difficult for them to state that openly after their meeting on Monday though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 55 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Can you relegate a club that no longer even exists and has fully withdrawn from league membership? They didn't word their constitution carefully enough. I think Gordon S got it right on what's likely to happen. The 15th placed team will technically be relegated if there is a licensed champion available for promotion but will be voted back in to fill the vacancy. It will be difficult for them to state that openly after their meeting on Monday though. Let's say Bonnyrigg win the EoS and get promoted - having been Licenced this season - Linlithgow lose in the play-off final but have been Licenced several years. Linlithgow then apply for the vacancy. Not sure it's going to be as clear cut as you think, the LL would be aware of reputational damage if they vote to retain a club who finished bottom ahead of a former Junior club who made the leap and finished runners-up. IF it turns out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: What would happen if dalbeattie or Gretna finished 15th though ? If they are relegated they would presumably join the South of Scotland League. Or if there is going to be a West of Scotland League for next season they would join that instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 31 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Let's say Bonnyrigg win the EoS and get promoted - having been Licenced this season - Linlithgow lose in the play-off final but have been Licenced several years. Linlithgow then apply for the vacancy. Not sure it's going to be as clear cut as you think, the LL would be aware of reputational damage if they vote to retain a club who finished bottom ahead of a former Junior club who made the leap and finished runners-up. IF it turns out that way. EoS Conference Winners Round Robin sees the newly licenced Bonnyrigg beat the historically licenced Linlithgow, Linlithgow beat the newly licenced Penicuik and then Penicuik beat Bonnyrigg. Bonnyrigg win the EoS Championship on whatever the title deciders will be, then win promotion by beating the licenced SoS Champion in the Lowland League Promotion Playoff. SoS Champion, Linlithgow, Penicuik and LL15 (who are only bottom because of Selkirk going bust) all apply for the vacancy. Which of the 4 get the one vacancy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Linlithgow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Linlithgow If a reprieve for LL15 isn't deemed palatable, there would probably be more support for both the SoS and EoS champions being promoted since they're both licenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 hours ago, craigkillie said: Some of this is conjecture. It is not clear that a club which resigns from the league will automatically be removed from the table. Their record will be expunged, but they may still be considered as being 16th. It would be weird if a club that's not even a member of the league is considered to have finished 16th, without any results in its name, but I suppose it wouldn't be the strangest thing a Scottish football authority has ever done. 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: Let's say Bonnyrigg win the EoS and get promoted - having been Licenced this season - Linlithgow lose in the play-off final but have been Licenced several years. Linlithgow then apply for the vacancy. Not sure it's going to be as clear cut as you think, the LL would be aware of reputational damage if they vote to retain a club who finished bottom ahead of a former Junior club who made the leap and finished runners-up. IF it turns out that way. In that case I still think it's very likely they'd keep Club 15, I think they'd see it as harsh to relegate a league member who only finished bottom because Selkirk collapsed after the season had started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowenan Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 They could decide on no playoff this season if both champions are licensed. Both EOS and SOS champion promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 10 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: EoS Conference Winners Round Robin sees the newly licenced Bonnyrigg beat the historically licenced Linlithgow, Linlithgow beat the newly licenced Penicuik and then Penicuik beat Bonnyrigg. Bonnyrigg win the EoS Championship on whatever the title deciders will be, then win promotion by beating the licenced SoS Champion in the Lowland League Promotion Playoff. SoS Champion, Linlithgow, Penicuik and LL15 (who are only bottom because of Selkirk going bust) all apply for the vacancy. Which of the 4 get the one vacancy? Going back to this, it illustrates perfectly why all vacancies in the LL should be filled on merit, not by application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 11 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: EoS Conference Winners Round Robin sees the newly licenced Bonnyrigg beat the historically licenced Linlithgow, Linlithgow beat the newly licenced Penicuik and then Penicuik beat Bonnyrigg. Bonnyrigg win the EoS Championship on whatever the title deciders will be, then win promotion by beating the licenced SoS Champion in the Lowland League Promotion Playoff. SoS Champion, Linlithgow, Penicuik and LL15 (who are only bottom because of Selkirk going bust) all apply for the vacancy. Which of the 4 get the one vacancy? Depends on how many points Whitehill have in 15th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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