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The arsehole that is Frank Fields resigning from the Labour whip.  Hopefully his last wee while in Parliament.

Citing Corbyn’s anti-Semitism.  Aye, right Frank.

 

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Usual question would be cui bono - who benefits. Slightly different in this case, as the attacks are so vehemently personal against Corbyn himself. There's an awful lot of people becoming involved, or at least involved,  in politics these days - and they don't all swallow the first propaganda presented to them. They will question what they're told, and they no longer trust the Government or the Mainstream Media to tell them the truth. People have become at once more cynical and more hopeful - to paraphrase the Devil's daughter, people understand that once the personal smears are all the establishment have, the political argument has already been lost.
I've been accused on many occasions of being a Corbyn fanboy (Yeah, at 54..). Not so - I'm an old Socialist who sees a chance at saving society - a chance I thought had gone with Blair's hijacking of our Party. Corbyn is not the Messiah, but he could be seen as a herald of a better way. Certainly, the "lurch to the Left" has allowed such fresh voices as Long-Bailey, Burgon, Rayner, Butler, Pidcock and Gardiner, amongst others, to present a different vision - one which seems to have struck a chord with the public. Membership numbers have reached scarily high numbers, and the recent funding figures even give the lie to the idea that you can't beat the Tories massive donor-funded warchest.
A popular T-shirt I've been seeing this year has Jeremy with the caption "It's not me they fear - it's you". So, so true. Have you ever seen the good-natured, committed Tories marching in their tens of thousands in support of May? Do they chant Hammond's name at Glastonbury? Does McVey hold regular surgeries in the lobby of her local supermarket?
In summary, the world and the people are moving on, and the Establishment has been wrong-footed spectacularly. Even those of my acquaintances who are in no way Labour supporters (real or "new" versions) are saying, "this is getting ridiculous - where was the outrage and revulsion five, ten, twenty years ago, when these things were supposed to have happened?" - and the thrust of this whole campaign, especially the recent AS angle, is being shown up for the witch-hunt it is even before the print editions of the papers hit the newsagents shelves. There's a new, politically aware generation itching to use their votes (partly energised by the recent glut of elections/referenda - so up yours, Brenda from Bristol), and they are unwilling to accept the bullshit Westminster have fed them for so long.
TL;DR: The Few. Fúck 'em.
Hmmmm...this reads more like an exercise in wishful thinking than an accurate summation of the current situation.

I'm a lapsed Labour voter with zero intention of voting for them anytime soon - I think you'll find that I'm far from alone.

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On 29/08/2018 at 01:38, Jambo: First Blood said:

Have you seen the "hand of Israel" Press TV interview? 

I've got round to watching that today. Is that all you've got? Seriously? A one minute soundbite, with no mention of Zionists, let alone Jews?

The view he expresses here may not fit with some people's limited understanding of ME political manouevring, but it's far from impossible.

You've cited this, and only this, a couple of times. I would suggest finding a bit more material if you want your opinions taking seriously - advice I offer in a spirit of kindness, not rebuke.

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1 hour ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

Hmmmm...this reads more like an exercise in wishful thinking than an accurate summation of the current situation.

I'm a lapsed Labour voter with zero intention of voting for them anytime soon - I think you'll find that I'm far from alone.

Fair enough, that's what Democracy is about. IMHO, however, a massive spike in membership and affiliation to the Labour Party would suggest that there is a net increase in support for Democratically Socialist politics. Certainly, with more interest in politics comes more scrutiny, and in my (admittedly biased) opinion, today's Labour are far more in tune with the desires and needs of the Electorate at large than anything emenating from the Government.

As for wishful thinking - I'll take hope over despair any day of the week. Show me a Tory policy which will improve the lives of me and my family, and you might convert me.

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10 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

The arsehole that is Frank Fields resigning from the Labour whip.  Hopefully his last wee while in Parliament.

Citing Corbyn’s anti-Semitism.  Aye, right Frank.

 

Amazing that none of these guys ever noticed Corbyn was Hitler in the last 40 years of working with him.

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On 31/08/2018 at 03:31, Jdog said:

Amazing that none of these guys ever noticed Corbyn was worse than Hitler in the last 40 years of working with him.

 

FTFY.

He was a vegetarian as well. Coincidence?

 

 

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On 30/08/2018 at 17:10, Granny Danger said:

The arsehole that is Frank Fields resigning from the Labour whip.  Hopefully his last wee while in Parliament.

Citing Corbyn’s anti-Semitism.  Aye, right Frank.

 

Hodges has a voice to match his personality..

 

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On 30/08/2018 at 19:45, WhiteRoseKillie said:

I've got round to watching that today. Is that all you've got? Seriously? A one minute soundbite, with no mention of Zionists, let alone Jews?

The view he expresses here may not fit with some people's limited understanding of ME political manouevring, but it's far from impossible.

You've cited this, and only this, a couple of times. I would suggest finding a bit more material if you want your opinions taking seriously - advice I offer in a spirit of kindness, not rebuke.

It's a very blatant crackpot conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up. You don't think it's in anyway a common theme of anti-Semitism to talk about shadowy Jews directing events behind the scenes? The fact that he sees a Jihadist terrorist attack and thinks "Israel did this" with no evidence seems to be suggest a prejudice.

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4 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Opportunistic Brown rearing his cuntish head

 

2 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

Why is Gordon Brown still a thing?

The answer to both is that he can be relied upon to spout dated opinions which totally ignore any political, social or financial events of the last decade. Opinions which, strangely enough, chime with the current campaign to discredit the current direction of the Party he helped to cripple.

Brown, along with Blair and the rest of that generation, have as much relevance as the traditional media which uses them to frame a narrative which the younger generation, and many older voters, clearly see as a clumsy attempt at manipulation.

Ironically, I am becoming convinced that the relentless focus on AS in the Labour Party (and nowhere else in society, oh no!) is not only firming the reolve of current supporters of the Party but also generating sympathy in the more intelligent undecided electorate.

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My only opinion of this so called anti Semitism is that Corbyn is not of that ilk. I believe he is a weak leader who is struggling against the worst Tory government in my lifetime.

Regards all the crap about anti Semitism flying around I am of the belief that there is a concerted campaign with the Labour Party itself spreading this shit so it sticks and he is forced to stand down. Who are the players in this? I don't think you need to look to far to see the Blairites in action here. 

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My only opinion of this so called anti Semitism is that Corbyn is not of that ilk. I believe he is a weak leader who is struggling against the worst Tory government in my lifetime.
Regards all the crap about anti Semitism flying around I am of the belief that there is a concerted campaign with the Labour Party itself spreading this shit so it sticks and he is forced to stand down. Who are the players in this? I don't think you need to look to far to see the Blairites in action here. 
This is pretty accurate tbf. Corbyn is totally out of his depth and hasn't got a hope in hell of ever being PM but the anti-semitism stuff being levelled at him is pretty ridiculous. The likes of Hodge, Field and Brown are little more than diet Tories, and utter c***s.

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Margaret Hodge on the news saying most British institutions have signed up to the full IHRA, complete horse shit.

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8 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

 

The answer to both is that he can be relied upon to spout dated opinions which totally ignore any political, social or financial events of the last decade. Opinions which, strangely enough, chime with the current campaign to discredit the current direction of the Party he helped to cripple.

Brown, along with Blair and the rest of that generation, have as much relevance as the traditional media which uses them to frame a narrative which the younger generation, and many older voters, clearly see as a clumsy attempt at manipulation.

Ironically, I am becoming convinced that the relentless focus on AS in the Labour Party (and nowhere else in society, oh no!) is not only firming the reolve of current supporters of the Party but also generating sympathy in the more intelligent undecided electorate.

Labour do seem to go a bit more ahead in the polls after each of these smears.

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19 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

 

The answer to both is that he can be relied upon to spout dated opinions which totally ignore any political, social or financial events of the last decade. Opinions which, strangely enough, chime with the current campaign to discredit the current direction of the Party he helped to cripple.

Brown, along with Blair and the rest of that generation, have as much relevance as the traditional media which uses them to frame a narrative which the younger generation, and many older voters, clearly see as a clumsy attempt at manipulation.

Ironically, I am becoming convinced that the relentless focus on AS in the Labour Party (and nowhere else in society, oh no!) is not only firming the reolve of current supporters of the Party but also generating sympathy in the more intelligent undecided electorate.

Coruscating stuff here from Craig Murray, worth contrasting this with the latest 'rare intervention' from the Great Clunking Fud.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

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This smear campaign against Corbyn is astounding. Next to no evidence yet it still wont go away. As somebody has mentioned it looks like its coming from within as well as rivals. 

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