Israel lobby v Corbyn

[Guest]

1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

So if that's true, it isn't in fact anything like Northern Ireland. Glad we've cleared that up given that definitely wasn't the posture of the British State during the Troubles. Have to wonder whether the people who fixate on Israel on here either know or care that a majority of Israeli Jews nowadays are not Zionist European settlers but are descended from refugees from Arab countries that have no right to return and ever ponder why the Jewish population is now almost non-existent in the Arab world, while around 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs without the Intifada in the occupied territories spreading into 1967 borders Israel to any significant extent? Have they forgotten or are they too young to remember that Israel almost lost the 1973 war even with the West Bank, Gaza, Sinai peninsula and Golan heights under their control and therefore might have some legitimate security concerns where a two state solution on 1967 borders is concerned.  At times, there seems to be something deeper going on that drives this one-sided obsession with Israel and only Israel rather than viewing the conflict as being about two shades of grey and that's what the concerns about antisemitism in the Labour party are all about.

You've actually answered your own question there. Most people in this country couldn't give a flying fcuk about Israel or Palestine, however when our main political parties and media are being infiltrated, influenced and even controlled by foreign powers from within, then that becomes an entirely different proposition.

In all honesty there shouldn't be splinter groups and lobbying within our parties, they should stand on their mandates to the British people, their electorate, as opposed to driving their own sinister agendas...........

[NotThePars]

11 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

So if that's true, it isn't in fact anything like Northern Ireland. Glad we've cleared that up given that definitely wasn't the posture of the British State during the Troubles. Have to wonder whether the people who fixate on Israel on here either know or care that a majority of Israeli Jews nowadays are not Zionist European settlers but are descended from refugees from Arab countries that have no right to return and ever ponder why the Jewish population is now almost non-existent in the Arab world, while around 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs without the Intifada in the occupied territories spreading into 1967 borders Israel to any significant extent? Have they forgotten or are they too young to remember that Israel almost lost the 1973 war even with the West Bank, Gaza, Sinai peninsula and Golan heights under their control and therefore might have some legitimate security concerns where a two state solution on 1967 borders is concerned.  At times, there seems to be something deeper going on that drives this one-sided obsession with Israel and only Israel rather than viewing the conflict as being about two shades of grey and that's what the concerns about antisemitism in the Labour party are all about.

 

Israel and Saudi Arabia are routinely targets for the western left primarily because they're heavily backed by the United States and the United Kingdom. You can argue shades of grey with Israel and Palestine or Saudi Arabia and Yemen but there's only one side in each conflict that is packing serious amounts of heavy weaponry and is being given carte-blanche by the world's only superpower to do what they like.

[JamieThomas]

It's certainly quite the head scratcher why loony lefties might not be too cool with extreme right wing governments that are right into the murder.

[sureiknow]

13 hours ago, Kuro said:

Israel does not want peace, or a two state solution, and never has...

 

 

 

I won't quote all that.

The Arabs as you and all on here know have always rejected a two State souloution and you know why.

They want the destruction of the only Jewish State in the World.

From the Rivers to the Sea is their motto.

That means as you know well the removeal of all Jewish people from that land by Death.

Anyone like you that supports this.

Shame.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

5 hours ago, sureiknow said:

I won't quote all that.

The Arabs as you and all on here know have always rejected a two State souloution and you know why.

They want the destruction of the only Jewish State in the World.

From the Rivers to the Sea is their motto.

That means as you know well the removeal of all Jewish people from that land by Death.

Anyone like you that supports this.

Shame.

 

[Suspect Device]

From SKY news. 

Quote

More than half of people believe Labour has a "serious antisemitism problem", a new poll has revealed.

The ComRes survey, on behalf of the Jewish News newspaper, showed 51% think the party has a problem with anti-Jewish hate, up from 34% in July last year.

A similar proportion of respondents, 55%, agreed that Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn's "failure to tackle antisemitism within his own party shows he is unfit to be prime minister".

Labour's long-running antisemitism row resurfaced at the weekend when the Sunday Times reported Mr Corbyn, in a leaked recording, said that evidence of antisemitism in the party has been "mislaid or ignored".

ComRes spoke to 1,047 adults on Monday for the poll, with only 22% saying they believed Mr Corbyn's claim that he had an "absolute determination" to stamp out antisemitism from his party. Almost half (48%) disagreed.

 

Seems that the longer you chuck the mud, the more it sticks in folks minds at least.

Whether that would actually translate into not voting for them is unclear.

 

[Kuro]

19 hours ago, sureiknow said:

I won't quote all that.

The Arabs as you and all on here know have always rejected a two State souloution and you know why.

They want the destruction of the only Jewish State in the World.

From the Rivers to the Sea is their motto.

That means as you know well the removeal of all Jewish people from that land by Death.

Anyone like you that supports this.

Shame.

The Palestinians have never rejected a two state solution, Israel has.  Israel was offered 1967 borders in the 90s and rejected it.  Hamas even accepts 67 borders now, but Israel don't, even though international law is very clear this must be the basis for peace and a two state solution.  The slight problem is Israel has been building illegal settlements on land that would have to be part of a Palestinian state every day for over half a century, and continues to do so today.  Does that sound like they accept a two state solution to you?  They have over half a million illegal settlers on that land right now.  And you support that, shame on you.

Here is Israel's actual Prime Minister giving his views on a two state solution-

https://www.haaretz.com/netanyahu-if-i-m-elected-there-will-be-no-palestinian-state-1.5337927

 

Israel has zero interest in peace or a two state solution, they want conquest and colonisation and always have.

[Kuro]

Here he is a week ago pledging to annex ILLEGAL settlements in the West Bank (you know, the West Bank that has to be the territory forming the bulk of any Palestinian state) 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-s-netanyahu-vows-annex-west-bank-settlements-if-re-n991761

Israel does not want a two state solution, and has been acting to prevent one for decades.

[sureiknow]

16 minutes ago, Kuro said:

The Palestinians have never rejected a two state solution, Israel has.  

Oh FFS.

Go away and try out your new Hallowen Nazi Uniform.

[Kuro]

1 minute ago, sureiknow said:

Oh FFS.

Go away and try out your new Hallowen Nazi Uniform.

Israel are the Nazis now, maybe you should try yours.  

Edited April 18, 2019 by Kuro

[sureiknow]

1 minute ago, Kuro said:

Israel are the Nazis now, maybe you should try yours.  

Now that Statement by you is racist.

And no one imo can deny that.

[Kuro]

Just now, sureiknow said:

Now that Statement by you is racist.

And no one imo can deny that.

Netanyahu is racist.  

[Kuro]

Almost every Israeli PM has been openly racist, here's a wee selection-

 

On the 11th of June, 1962, David Ben-Gurion made the following statement at a meeting with the head of Israel’s teachers federation, Shalom Levin:
“The danger we face is that the great majority of those children whose parents did not receive an education for generations, will descend to the level of Arab children”. 

 

The following is an entry from Moshe Sharett’s diary on the 15th of November, 1953, where he refers to returning Palestinian refugees as infiltrators:

“In the last three years [Shani reported] 20,000 infiltrators settled in Israel, in addition to 30,000 who returned immediately after the war…. Only because these 20,000 have not been given permanent documents has the brake been put on the flow of infiltration directed toward settlement. To abolish the military government would mean to open the border areas to undisturbed infiltration and to increasing penetration toward the interior of the country. Even as things are, around 19,000 Arabs in Galilee are in possession of permanent permits to move freely around but only to the West and the South and not toward the North and the East…. it is true that the troublesome problem of the evacuees must be liquidated through a permanent resettlement”.

 

A leading right-wing Israeli scholar, Benny Morris, in his book Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict quotes Sharett as saying; “We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it”

 

 

In December 1967, months after the war, Levi Eshkol discusses the Palestinians of Gaza, labelling them a “problem” that needs to be dealt with by making life so miserable for them that they would just leave, he even began discussing the “luxury” of another war which would deal with the “problem” Israel faces.

Eshkol goes on to state:
“I cannot imagine it – how we will organize life in this country when we have 1.4 million Arabs and we are 2.4 million, with 400,000 Arabs already in the country?”

 

 

Golda Meir became Prime Minister of Israel in 1969 and served until the year 1974. Golda Meir notably spoke of non-European Jews in a very demeaning way, perpetuating a very popular European Zionist stereo-type, that Jews from parts of the world other than Europe were essentially primitive.

Golda once said, whilst addressing the Zionist federation of Great Britain (in 1964):
“We in Israel need (Jewish) immigrants from countries with a high standard, because the future of our social structure is worrying us. We have immigrants from Morocco, Libya, Iran, Egypt and other countries with a 16th century level. Shall we be able to elevate these immigrants to a suitable level of civilization?”

 

Menachem Begin referred to Palestinians, stating that they were “beasts walking on two legs”

 

Yitzhak Shamir also referred to Palestinian protesters in 1988 as “grasshoppers compared to us”, vowing to crush the demonstrations.

 

 

As Prime Minister Shimon Peres oversaw the massacre of Qana Massacre (South Lebanon, 1996) in which more than 100 civilians were killed, this occurred after Israel targeted and blew up a United Nations facility where roughly 800 people had gathered to take shelter.

Despite the often used, flowery language he chose to consult international media with, Shimon Peres actively enforced the strategic, zionist objective, of pacifying the Palestinian population through the means of strangling them financially.

During an interview, conducted by al-Jazeera, (published on the 30th of December, 2012) Peres blamed Palestinians for the hardships they endure, stating that; “They are self victimizing. They victimize themselves. They are a victim of they’re own mistakes, unnecessarily 

 

As reported by Haaretz News, Netanyahu on the ninth of February, 2016, visited the construction of a concrete wall that was being constructed on the border between Gaza and Israel. In his own words, the wall was necessary to “defend ourselves against the wild beasts”.

 

On the 13th of June, 2002, Ehud Barak was interviewed by the New York Review of Books, during this interview he said the following:
“They [Arabs] are products of a culture in which to tell a lie… Creates no dissonance. They don’t suffer from the problem of telling lies that exists in Judeo-Christian culture”.

 

 

Ariel Sharon was most infamous for commanding the Qibya massacre,along with the massacres at Sabra and Shatila. Sharon also used his death squads to execute people in mass numbers in Gaza during the 50’s, especially upon the strips establishment.

Other than his willingness to massacre Palestinians and Arabs, it is also important to be aware of Ariel Sharon’s stance on stealing Palestinian land. Ariel Sharon said (as Foreign Minister) on Israeli radio in November of 1998; Everybody has to move, run and grab as many [Palestinian] hilltops as they can to enlarge the [Jewish] settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.

 

Does this language sound eerily similar to the language the Nazis used about the Jews?  That's cause it is.  Israel are the Nazis of today.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Sureiknow has long since outed himself as a desperate simpleton and is simply trying too hard. Best just to laugh at him and move on.

[Sharker]

I see an anti Corbyn Jewish Paper has commissioned a poll about him, full of loaded questions ,every one ..

Corbyn blah blah anti-Semitism?

anti-Semitism blah blah Corbyn?

Labour blah blah anti-Semitism Corbyn?

anti-Semitism anti-Semitism Corbyn Corbyn?

Laughable stuff ...but now being touted by the usual mob as evidence that 'half of Britons think he's anti-Semitic and wouldn't trust him as PM'....

 

 

[Sharker]

Shocker to see the papers running this today

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn is either blind to antisemitism – or he just doesn’t care

Jonathan Freedland

[Sharker]

april 30 2019, 5:00pm, the times

Corbyn’s praise for deeply antisemitic book

daniel finkelstein

What the Labour leader describes as a ‘great tome’ peddles the stereotype of Jewish financiers creating imperialism

[NotThePars]

It would sure be funny if Finkelstein had written something in defence of Churchill in spite of his anti-semitism.

[Jacksgranda]

On 17/04/2019 at 09:26, WATTOO said:

This is probably a rather simplistic view, however I've always compared the situation in Palestine to that of Northern Ireland, basically Israel appears to take the stance that if Hamas or the now defunct PLO etc committed a terrorist attack or assault on Israel or it's citizens then Palestinian civilians were deemed to be fair game as they weren't "preventing" Hamas etc from carrying out these acts. To my mind that would have been the equivalent of the IRA planting a bomb in England and then the occupying British army ordering Air strikes and gunning down lots of innocents within the Catholic parts of Belfast, Derry etc as retribution.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there were many within Thatchers Government who would have been right behind this policy but it still shocks me that people can stand back and just watch the Israelis murder innocent people and even worse still, support them...............

[welshbairn]

25 minutes ago, Sharker said:

april 30 2019, 5:00pm, the times

Corbyn’s praise for deeply antisemitic book

daniel finkelstein

What the Labour leader describes as a ‘great tome’ peddles the stereotype of Jewish financiers creating imperialism

Antisemitism brazenly being broadcast on BBC Radio 3 here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02tmz22