Israel lobby v Corbyn

[The_Kincardine]

10 minutes ago, Jambo: First Blood said:

I'm sorry he actually used to be  Chief Rabbi but hasn't been since 2013. His title was literally Chief Rabbi of Britain and the Empire and he represented a lot of British Synagogues.

Here we have diddythink writ large.  So Chief Rabbi of Britain and the Empire but only representing part of the very welcome Jewish community?  

I admire J Sacks but he's only ever been Chief Rabbi of one strand of Judaism.  Possibly one most recognised historically but that title is utter nonsense.

 

 

[Jambo: First Blood]

Just now, The_Kincardine said:

Here we have diddythink writ large.  So Chief Rabbi of Britain and the Empire but only representing part of the very welcome Jewish community?  

I admire J Sacks but he's only ever been Chief Rabbi of one strand of Judaism.  Possibly one most recognised historically but that title is utter nonsense.

It's the literal title that he held. I really don't understand your issue with what I said here. I'm not saying he's King Solomon but that he held a centuries old title which I'm sure he was proud to have held.

Yes, only part of the community as he represented Orthodox synagogues only so Reform Jews and others were not in his congregation.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

57 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

It's pretty bad the leader of the opposition is an anti Semite though

..Except he's not. Either you're going to need better bait, or you really are as stupid as your reviews on here suggest.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

57 minutes ago, Jambo: First Blood said:

Have you seen the "hand of Israel" Press TV interview? 

Nope. I take it that's from his time working for them? I base my opinion on Jeremy Corbyn on actually listening to him speaking, including a couple of personal conversations. A more decent human being it would be very hard to find.

No wonder the smear campaign is ramping up - how the hell do you deal with a political leader who is massively popular with politically engaged people not reliant on the MSM, and who cannot be bought? With every new story of outrage dragged up from the days when Blair was sending troops hither and yon on Bush's whim, and even from when Thatcher had savile as a house guest every fucking christmas she was PM, are we realy supposed to believe Corbyn is the embodiment of evil?

More to the point - if he's a raging anti-semite and obviously so, why does it take so fucking long for these people to become outraged? I'm afraid that this smear campaign has tipped over into farce and risks us losing any chance of meaningful dialogue into the subject.

I stand in solidarity with those Palestinians denied clean water, medicine, freedom of movement, and even the right to live. I'm not an anti-semite, I just detest bullies and find state-enacted murder of innocents reminiscent of the worst regimes anywhere, at any time. Including one which is currently a favoured friend of both our Government, and that of the USA.

 

ETA:At least the Saudis made some sort of pretence at a trial before sentencing a woman to beheading. Sniper rifles are so impersonal, don't you think? Even the British-supplied ones...

Edited August 29, 2018 by WhiteRoseKillie

[Jdog]

12 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

Here we have diddythink writ large.  So Chief Rabbi of Britain and the Empire but only representing part of the very welcome Jewish community?  

I admire J Sacks but he's only ever been Chief Rabbi of one strand of Judaism.  Possibly one most recognised historically but that title is utter nonsense.

 

 

I missed Sacks outrage when his mate and fellow chief Rabbi said..

Israeli chief rabbi calls black people 'monkeys'

 

Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef's comments denounced as 'racially charged' and 'utterly unacceptable' by Anti-Defamation League

[Jdog]

13 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

Well he's not - only the hard of thinking believe that Britain has ever had a Chief Rabbi, Chief Archbishop, Chief Imam or Chief anything Religious.  He did, though, feature heavily on Thought for the Day along with Lionel Blue when Radio 4 was actually worth listening to and is an all-round top bloke.  

He's a racist Zionists piece of shit, he's personally led marches through East Jerusalem for extreme right wing Jewish mobs who sing about killing Arabs and taking Temple Mount, and on R4 his holy mask slipped....

The BBC has apologised to the chief rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, after Radio 4's Today presenter Evan Davis asked him a question about the violence in Gaza without telling him he was live on air.

When Sacks finished his Thought for the Day on Friday morning, Davis asked him to comment on the Gaza situation before he left the studio.

Sacks, seemingly unaware that he was live, said "I think it's got to do with Iran, actually", before Davis' co-presenter Sarah Montague whispered: "We, we're live."

His tone then changed markedly and he called for "a continued prayer for peace, not only in Gaza but for the whole region, no one gains from violence".

According to a number of BBC sources, Sacks was said to be "angry" about the incident and made his feelings known to Today's production team.

[Jambo: First Blood]

15 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Nope. I take it that's from his time working for them? I base my opinion on Jeremy Corbyn on actually listening to him speaking, including a couple of personal conversations. A more decent human being it would be very hard to find.

No it isn't from when he worked for them, bad in and of itself I'd add, but from an interview with Press TV London. 

He comes out with a ludicrous anti-Semitic conspiracy theory based on no evidence at all bar a totally false assumption of his that jihadist terrorists, as Muslims, wouldn't commit an attack during Ramadan. 

In fact jihadist terrorists are actually more likely to commit attacks during Ramadan than less likely. 

I suggest you watch the video. Should be easy to find on YouTube.

Edited August 29, 2018 by Jambo: First Blood

[steve55]

The whole thing stinks of a conspiracy to smear Corbyn.

 

But who is behind this...

[Jambo: First Blood]

2 minutes ago, steve55 said:

The whole thing stinks of a conspiracy to smear Corbyn.

 

But who is behind this...

It's gone far beyond the point where this can be in anyway categorised as a smear. 

His own documented words and actions smear him enough. 

[steve55]

2 minutes ago, Jambo: First Blood said:

It's gone far beyond the point where this can be in anyway categorised as a smear. 

His own documented words and actions smear him enough. 

Being critical of Israel does not make anti-semite.

 

[pandarilla]

It's gone far beyond the point where this can be in anyway categorised as a smear. 
His own documented words and actions smear him enough. 

Away and bother people who are stupid enough to believe your drivel.

The campaign is so far beyond ridiculous that it'll have no effect on any switched on folk. Those who hate him will continue to get outraged over nothing.

[Jambo: First Blood]

1 minute ago, steve55 said:

Being critical of Israel does not make anti-semite.

 

For God's sake 

You'll have to do better than that. Seriously watch his "hand of Israel" Press TV interview. It's conclusive really.

[steve55]

5 minutes ago, Jambo: First Blood said:

For God's sake 

You'll have to do better than that. Seriously watch his "hand of Israel" Press TV interview. It's conclusive really.

Nothing to do with Ptress TV, the woman in interview is: Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni

[Jambo: First Blood]

5 minutes ago, steve55 said:

Nothing to do with Ptress TV, the woman in interview is: Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni

Watch this:

 

[WhiteRoseKillie]

2 minutes ago, steve55 said:

The whole thing stinks of a conspiracy to smear Corbyn.

 

But who is behind this...

Usual question would be cui bono - who benefits. Slightly different in this case, as the attacks are so vehemently personal against Corbyn himself. There's an awful lot of people becoming involved, or at least involved,  in politics these days - and they don't all swallow the first propaganda presented to them. They will question what they're told, and they no longer trust the Government or the Mainstream Media to tell them the truth. People have become at once more cynical and more hopeful - to paraphrase the Devil's daughter, people understand that once the personal smears are all the establishment have, the political argument has already been lost.

I've been accused on many occasions of being a Corbyn fanboy (Yeah, at 54..). Not so - I'm an old Socialist who sees a chance at saving society - a chance I thought had gone with Blair's hijacking of our Party. Corbyn is not the Messiah, but he could be seen as a herald of a better way. Certainly, the "lurch to the Left" has allowed such fresh voices as Long-Bailey, Burgon, Rayner, Butler, Pidcock and Gardiner, amongst others, to present a different vision - one which seems to have struck a chord with the public. Membership numbers have reached scarily high numbers, and the recent funding figures even give the lie to the idea that you can't beat the Tories massive donor-funded warchest.

A popular T-shirt I've been seeing this year has Jeremy with the caption "It's not me they fear - it's you". So, so true. Have you ever seen the good-natured, committed Tories marching in their tens of thousands in support of May? Do they chant Hammond's name at Glastonbury? Does McVey hold regular surgeries in the lobby of her local supermarket?

In summary, the world and the people are moving on, and the Establishment has been wrong-footed spectacularly. Even those of my acquaintances who are in no way Labour supporters (real or "new" versions) are saying, "this is getting ridiculous - where was the outrage and revulsion five, ten, twenty years ago, when these things were supposed to have happened?" - and the thrust of this whole campaign, especially the recent AS angle, is being shown up for the witch-hunt it is even before the print editions of the papers hit the newsagents shelves. There's a new, politically aware generation itching to use their votes (partly energised by the recent glut of elections/referenda - so up yours, Brenda from Bristol), and they are unwilling to accept the bullshit Westminster have fed them for so long.

TL;DR: The Few. Fúck 'em.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Obviously this Jambo lad (or lass) is more informed than the rest of us. I mean, it's patently ridiculous that Israel could get involved with any kind of Islamic extremists. The very idea.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/priti-patel-israel-golan-heights-al-nusra-syria-sunni-shia-muslims-dfid-international-aid-a8046356.html

[Jacksgranda]

10 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

. Corbyn is not the Messiah, 

A lot of Jewish spokesmen seem to think he's a very naughty boy...

[Granny Danger]

The arsehole that is Frank Fields resigning from the Labour whip.  Hopefully his last wee while in Parliament.

Citing Corbyn’s anti-Semitism.  Aye, right Frank.

 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

Usual question would be cui bono - who benefits. Slightly different in this case, as the attacks are so vehemently personal against Corbyn himself. There's an awful lot of people becoming involved, or at least involved,  in politics these days - and they don't all swallow the first propaganda presented to them. They will question what they're told, and they no longer trust the Government or the Mainstream Media to tell them the truth. People have become at once more cynical and more hopeful - to paraphrase the Devil's daughter, people understand that once the personal smears are all the establishment have, the political argument has already been lost.
I've been accused on many occasions of being a Corbyn fanboy (Yeah, at 54..). Not so - I'm an old Socialist who sees a chance at saving society - a chance I thought had gone with Blair's hijacking of our Party. Corbyn is not the Messiah, but he could be seen as a herald of a better way. Certainly, the "lurch to the Left" has allowed such fresh voices as Long-Bailey, Burgon, Rayner, Butler, Pidcock and Gardiner, amongst others, to present a different vision - one which seems to have struck a chord with the public. Membership numbers have reached scarily high numbers, and the recent funding figures even give the lie to the idea that you can't beat the Tories massive donor-funded warchest.
A popular T-shirt I've been seeing this year has Jeremy with the caption "It's not me they fear - it's you". So, so true. Have you ever seen the good-natured, committed Tories marching in their tens of thousands in support of May? Do they chant Hammond's name at Glastonbury? Does McVey hold regular surgeries in the lobby of her local supermarket?
In summary, the world and the people are moving on, and the Establishment has been wrong-footed spectacularly. Even those of my acquaintances who are in no way Labour supporters (real or "new" versions) are saying, "this is getting ridiculous - where was the outrage and revulsion five, ten, twenty years ago, when these things were supposed to have happened?" - and the thrust of this whole campaign, especially the recent AS angle, is being shown up for the witch-hunt it is even before the print editions of the papers hit the newsagents shelves. There's a new, politically aware generation itching to use their votes (partly energised by the recent glut of elections/referenda - so up yours, Brenda from Bristol), and they are unwilling to accept the bullshit Westminster have fed them for so long.
TL;DR: The Few. Fúck 'em.

Hmmmm...this reads more like an exercise in wishful thinking than an accurate summation of the current situation.

I'm a lapsed Labour voter with zero intention of voting for them anytime soon - I think you'll find that I'm far from alone.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

On 29/08/2018 at 01:38, Jambo: First Blood said:

Have you seen the "hand of Israel" Press TV interview? 

I've got round to watching that today. Is that all you've got? Seriously? A one minute soundbite, with no mention of Zionists, let alone Jews?

The view he expresses here may not fit with some people's limited understanding of ME political manouevring, but it's far from impossible.

You've cited this, and only this, a couple of times. I would suggest finding a bit more material if you want your opinions taking seriously - advice I offer in a spirit of kindness, not rebuke.