Israel lobby v Corbyn

[doulikefish]

Its ok folks big Gordy has just said "he will support devo max" in the next indy ref.............im sure ive heard that before from someone just cant think who though Since we have the most powerful devolved parly in the worls aswell

[Granny Danger]

28 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

That would be the place you would expect a moderate Labour party that looked competant to sweep up votes in the marginals in the midlands. (Lets face it you have no fucking clue about who swing voters are and your list is a wild grasp, I mean public sector workers are not by and large "swing voters).

But a buffoon that toasts the provos, lays wreaths for Black September,  obsesses about Trident when it is really not a big vote winner in marginals, who looks like a complete shambles economically, who has no distinct message on Brexit, who has a shadow home secetary who is widely loathed and with her own long list of very dodgy statements?

Since the General Election Labour have done nothing in the polls. A slight up tick from UKIP has clipped a tiny bit of the Tories. No one has come from such middling polling to win an election from opposition in decades

 

If you read my post you will see that I was not classing public sector workers as swing voters.  I listed folk who could be swing voters then added public sector workers.

It is correct that I’m only making a guess as to what could swing people who may not be seen as natural Corbyn supporters but then again I would suggest it’s as valid a’grasp’ as any of us could make.

As for the last point nothing ever happens for the first time until it happens for the first time.  Trite?  Maybe but I hope we will soon see.

 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

This is the worst government in UK history, with an inept PM, in charge of the biggest f*ck up in UK politics in living memory.

Yet Labour seem unable or unwilling to lay a glove on them. I honestly can't think of one moment since Corbyn took charge where he and Labour actually had the Tories on the ropes.....despite them having an open goal to aim at on an almost daily basis. 

To be only neck and neck in the polls with this horrific Tory government is a laughable disgrace. 

And not only that, Labour seem utterly oblivious to the fact that the far-right are staging a silent but insiduous power grab, and that we're seeing a shift in UK politics not seen since before the 2nd world war.

What the f*ck are Labour doing while this is going on ? They're arguing amongst themselves about the definition of anti-Semitism , and they've f*cked off to North Africa to pay hommage to some dead terrorist. 

It's a laughable dereliction of their responsibilities as official opposition. 

[NotThePars]

 

2 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

You're obviously a socialist and you admire the turn to the left that Labour are taking under Corbyn.

The problem for Labour is that there are not enough people in the UK who still believe in a 1950's brand of good old fashioned socialist politics. With all respect, you sound a little like independence supporter who can't see why anyone would ever choose anything else.

You can't convert the converted. They're already there. 

For Labour to get into power, they need to persuade vast swathes of 'centre ground' voters the country over that they as a party could form a viable government. I simply don't see how entrenching themselves in a socialist mindset will do that. 

 

I think it's wild that the centre has been getting their arse kicked non-stop for like the last decade and yet still insist that the way forward is to control the centre ground (an amorphous place that is continually dragged right by the right wing). Labour have a base of voters that they haven't had since the glory days of Blair and have momentum to build on. Labour have the strongest voter bloc they've had since 2001 and by most accounts have nailed it on policy regardless of the personal approval of the leader. 

[NotThePars]

5 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

What the f*ck are Labour doing while this is going on ? They're arguing amongst themselves about the definition of anti-Semitism , and they've f*cked off to North Africa to pay hommage to some dead terrorist. 

It's a laughable dereliction of their responsibilities as official opposition. 

You are aware that the "fucking off to North Africa to pay homage to some dead terrorist" didn't happen in the last week don't you?

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

2 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

You are aware that the "fucking off to North Africa to pay homage to some dead terrorist" didn't happen in the last week don't you?

I know. I'm merely using it as example of Labour's perceived priorities. 

 

 

[NotThePars]

4 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I know. I'm merely using it as example of Labour's perceived priorities. 

 

 

 

It's not a priority though is it? It was something a backbencher did in 2014.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

I know. I'm merely using it as example of Labour's perceived priorities. 
 
 

"Perceived" being the operative word. We have to factor in that the type of intellect still buying into the demonisation of labour and, especially, Corbyn, will struggle to find their way to a polling station let alone master the process of actually casting a vote. The likes of Ianucci must be looking on thinking even their imaginations couldn't come up with this nonsense.

[pandarilla]

 
It's not a priority though is it? It was something a backbencher did in 2014.

There are a couple of posts that made this mistake.

[sureiknow]

So it seems Jeremy Corbyn was somehow hanging around a Cemetery where a Wreath was laid to honour some dead Terrorists. 

Happens I suppose. 

Has he ever hung around a Cemetery where the murdered people from this Terrorist incident are?

Unlikely and we can guess why.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

So it seems Jeremy Corbyn was somehow hanging around a Cemetery where a Wreath was laid to honour some dead Terrorists. 
Happens I suppose. 
Has he ever hung around a Cemetery where the murdered people from this Terrorist incident are?
Unlikely and we can guess why.

Wtf are you dribbling on about you daft c**t?

[sureiknow]

Just now, jupe1407 said:

24 minutes ago, sureiknow said:

So it seems Jeremy Corbyn was somehow hanging around a Cemetery where a Wreath was laid to honour some dead Terrorists. 
Happens I suppose. 
Has he ever hung around a Cemetery where the murdered people from this Terrorist incident are?
Unlikely and we can guess why.

Wtf are you dribbling on about you daft c**t?

Guess. 

Why did he help to lay a Wreath to Terrorists that killed Jewish people  and not a Wreath to Jewish people killed by Terrorists? 

You know why.

[Enigma]

Its ok folks big Gordy has just said "he will support devo max" in the next indy ref.............im sure ive heard that before from someone just cant think who though Since we have the most powerful devolved parly in the worls aswell

 

I actually think rather than indy2 SNP should be holding a ‘devo max’ referendum. Should win fairly comfortably and would pave the way for full Indy down the line.

[JamieThomas]

15 minutes ago, sureiknow said:

Guess. 

Why did he help to lay a Wreath to Terrorists that killed Jewish people  and not a Wreath to Jewish people killed by Terrorists? 

You know why.

Is it similar to the reason why I wouldn't piss on the graves of 150,000 Iraqis, but would liberally spray urine on Tony Blair's?

[sureiknow]

6 minutes ago, JamieThomas said:

Is it similar to the reason why I wouldn't piss on the graves of 150,000 Iraqis, but would liberally spray urine on Tony Blair's?

Each to their own.

If that's what you want to do.

 

[Jdog]

7 hours ago, sureiknow said:

Guess. 

Why did he help to lay a Wreath to Terrorists that killed Jewish people  and not a Wreath to Jewish people killed by Terrorists? 

You know why.

Why did Netanyahu celebrate the anniversary of dead terrorists that killed dozens of British citizens?

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Why did Netanyahu celebrate the anniversary of dead terrorists that killed dozens of British citizens?

Oops. That's clearly anti-semitism [emoji38]

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

10 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

10 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I know. I'm merely using it as example of Labour's perceived priorities. 
 
 

"Perceived" being the operative word. We have to factor in that the type of intellect still buying into the demonisation of labour and, especially, Corbyn, will struggle to find their way to a polling station let alone master the process of actually casting a vote. The likes of Ianucci must be looking on thinking even their imaginations couldn't come up with this nonsense.

The perception the public have of a politician....and especially the leader of a main party....is absolutely vital.

Michael Foot was a conviction politician with a tremendous intellect, and even some decent policies in amongst the left-wing doctrine that he (like Corbyn) loved. That mattered not, because the public at large perceived him as a doddering old socialist with wild hair who wore a donkey jacket all day long.

I may be wrong, but with Corbyn as leader I seriously doubt that the Labour party will ever become the party of government.  My opinion is that the public perception of Corbyn will destroy any real chance Labour have.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2018 by Bob Mahelp

[John Lambies Doos]

Why did Netanyahu celebrate the anniversary of dead terrorists that killed dozens of British citizens?

Because he's a c**t?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

The perception the public have of a politician....and especially the leader of a main party....is absolutely vital.
Michael Foot was a conviction politician with a tremendous intellect, and even some decent policies in amongst the left-wing doctrine that he (like Corbyn) loved. That mattered not, because the public at large perceived him as a doddering old socialist with wild hair who wore a donkey jacket all day long.
I may be wrong, but with Corbyn as leader I seriously doubt that the Labour party will ever become the party of government.  My opinion is that the public perception of Corbyn will destroy any real chance Labour have.
 
 

You did notice the twenty point rise in approval before the last election when equal coverage rules applied? From the edge of oblivion to almost nicking victory. That Labour are still in the lead, or at least jockeying for it, in the polls after the absolute shitstorm thrown at them and especially Corbyn, suggests that maybe, if the media were to cover, say, comparative policies rather than years-old gossip and smears then we could currently be in the last throes of the last Tory government I'll ever see. (Currently mid-fifties and average health, but going for three figures).
Labour's manifesto offers hope for the masses. The Tories? If we don't see the same shit, it's because the cûnts have found new ways to fúck the peasants. Gradually, even the dimmest are beginning to look behind the curtain, and they aren't seeing any wizards.