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So we're not really that racists?

Which countries are the most racist? Survey says the UK is one of the least racist | Evening Standard

 

But the folk that are racist must be dedicated to the cause.

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The findings of the survey clash with the results of recent research carried out by the universities of St Andrews, Manchester, and King’s College London, which found that one in three people from minority backgrounds in the UK have experienced racially motivated physical or verbal abuse.

 

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Dunno about others and still huge concerns all over the place, but it does feel like the last week or so is a bit of a turning point in where the country might be heading. BBC chairman being forced to resign, Tory MP kicked out for his anti vax views and Fox news in US, just the most recent examples of where previously blind eye turned events are having a much different impact now. Everybody seems much more switched on to the clear piss taking being had.

Anecdotally, I've spoken to a few brexit voting folk who voted Tory last election and all feel like they made massive mistakes and were lied too then and ever since. 

 

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11 hours ago, Theyellowbox said:

Dunno about others and still huge concerns all over the place, but it does feel like the last week or so is a bit of a turning point in where the country might be heading. BBC chairman being forced to resign, Tory MP kicked out for his anti vax views and Fox news in US, just the most recent examples of where previously blind eye turned events are having a much different impact now. Everybody seems much more switched on to the clear piss taking being had.

Anecdotally, I've spoken to a few brexit voting folk who voted Tory last election and all feel like they made massive mistakes and were lied too then and ever since. 

 

I ended up not voting at all in 2016 as I couldn't really favour one campaign over the other because they were both awful. I did think that the EU had too much power & too little accountability given all the nuances of the voting structure and commissions etc.  I was never the least bit concerned about immigration however it has to be said that the current shortages of low paid labour and even some skilled jobs like lorry drivers and nurses showed how much we had become reliant on people who were prepared to do the work for a relative pittance - this is not a fault on those individuals, but the employers who held wages low for years knowing that there were always others out there. 

In any case it feels like leaving was a massive over reaction, I'm not naïve, I never thought for one minute that those at the top pushing for it were doing it for the benefit of the likes of you & I,  but this is the big bad world were in after all.

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On 28/04/2023 at 07:35, Suspect Device said:

So we're not really that racists?

Which countries are the most racist? Survey says the UK is one of the least racist | Evening Standard

 

But the folk that are racist must be dedicated to the cause.

 

That ties in with the last EU survey when UK was still a member. Only Malta was less racist than the UK.  I suppose it depends on how you ask the question

 

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36 minutes ago, MazzyStar said:

No, it looks like they've found common cause 

"increased EU support for voluntary return and reintegration to countries of origin" 

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2 hours ago, coprolite said:

Libya is mentioned in there, it used to act as a magnet for sub-Saharan migrants due to Gaddafi's pan-Africanist ideals. No doubt worker exploitation befell those migrants in Libya but it was a lot better than the rape, murder, pogroms and persecution described in that article. NATO got rid of Gaddafi for his refusal to join the globalised (Americanised) economic system and racism has since replaced pan-Africanism. 

With Tunisian democracy, the absence of leftist options is due to all socialist movements being extinguished during Cold War times. Only Islamists survived, seeing as they had the mosques for refuge and mosques couldn't be destroyed how trade unions could be. The Islamists also benefited from US and British support. Thatcher famously even gave UK asylum to Mahgrebi Islamists, the father of the Manchester Arena bomber among them. So the Enaddha party, formed by Islamists, were best placed to step up when Tunisian democracy began following the 2011 revolution. Enaddha, entirely shorn of any socialist influence, brought Tunisians neoliberal economics and social conservatism, a very shite combination. This created a popular revolt that was hijacked by a strongman, similar to what happened in Egypt.

 

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5 hours ago, Mr Waldo said:

That ties in with the last EU survey when UK was still a member. Only Malta was less racist than the UK.  I suppose it depends on how you ask the question

 

Given how many racist statements begin with "I'm not racist right... BUT......" is hardly surprising that most racists don't self identify as such in a survey.

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6 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

Given how many racist statements begin with "I'm not racist right... BUT......" is hardly surprising that most racists don't self identify as such in a survey.

Literally nobody does, outside of the hardcore jackboot circles who openly discuss murdering people based on their ethnicity.

That seems to be the standard - "I can't be a racist, I've hardly ever murdered any foreigners, and that was only because they were Muslims, which isn't a race, so there."

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1 minute ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

If the clowns who go for that stuff think they speak for me, they are even more stupid than they try to appear. 

Your club seems to think that they do. Their complete inaction against it is very telling.

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1 minute ago, StellarHibee said:

Your club seems to think that they do. Their complete inaction against it is very telling.

Oh, believe me, I know. I heard the 'we disapprove of bad fan behaviour' style pish for years. I even seem to remember a speech live from the centre circle just after Barcelona, and it seems to me that not much has improved since. 

There have been a couple of occasions in the relatively recent past when I was close to changing my stated football allegiance to either Scotland or my "wee" team, the mighty Raith Rovers. Too much c#nterocity next season might push me over the edge.  It is hard to change, but to me, conflating football with religion and/or support for a ludicrous system for appointing a country's Head of State is a sign of some form of mental illness. 

I should say that I'm not a psychologist, but I'm also not a gynecologist but I know a c#nt when I see (or hear) one. The songs and chants that I've heard over the years should make a sane person cringe. 

 

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