The OP Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Can’t believe people are defending that tweet by saying GG was making a perfectly valid point about Israel’s domestic and foreign policy. Just, naw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 For someone so concerned about the 96, he seemed more than happy to take the Murdoch pound. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Wonder if he would’ve slated Israel if Ajax lost the final or if stoking religious tension in Amsterdam is less important to him than in his North London former stomping ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Raphael Gellar: How do you identify with Judaism and the state of Israel? Tom Werner: My Jewish ancestors moved to America in the 17th century, but I have identified with Israel since I was a child. I lived in Jerusalem in 1971 when I made a documentary called Israel:One Day at a Time. I interviewed many Israelis and Palestinians, from politicians to bus drivers- including David Ben Gurion, whom I visited at his home in the Negev. https://forward.com/news/israel/189937/tom-werner-juggles-roles-as-red-sox-and-liverpool/ George will be raging. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Jag Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, The OP said: Can’t believe people are defending that tweet by saying GG was making a perfectly valid point about Israel’s domestic and foreign policy. Just, naw. It was a bizarre tweet but it wasn’t anti-Semitic . Galloway is a scumbag, a liar, a hypocrite, a fraud and a deeply unsavoury little man, but an anti-Semite he is not. Edited June 3, 2019 by Hammer Jag 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Galloway is an arsehole but those quick to criticise him are reluctant to respond to simple questions. Maybe @J_Stewart can explain how waiving an Israeli flag can be interpreted as something other than support for Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Galloway is an arsehole but those quick to criticise him are reluctant to respond to simple questions. Maybe @J_Stewart can explain how waiving an Israeli flag can be interpreted as something other than support for Israel. In the context of the Tottenham support it’s mainly about embracing an insult and turning it into a unifier. Same goes for Ajax. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, The OP said: In the context of the Tottenham support it’s mainly about embracing an insult and turning it into a unifier. Same goes for Ajax. Not sure where you read that one. Obviously you feel it’s a clever justification; it’s not. Flying the Israeli flag is a clear indication of support for Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Not sure where you read that one. Obviously you feel it’s a clever justification; it’s not. Flying the Israeli flag is a clear indication of support for Israel. It’s a statement of shared identity, whether real or simply as perceived by others. You making condescending and emphatic statements to the contrary doesn't disprove that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, The OP said: It’s a statement of shared identity, whether real or simply as perceived by others. Would they make a statement of shared identity with something they don't support? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Not sure where you read that one. Obviously you feel it’s a clever justification; it’s not. Flying the Israeli flag is a clear indication of support for Israel. Do you think Rangers fans are expressing their love for the Israeli state, or are just having a go at Celtic fans and their habit of waving Palestinian flags? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Would they make a statement of shared identity with something they don't support? They revel in their yiddishness because their perceived Jewishness has historically been a point of abuse. This is why they chant yid army rather than songs about the state of Israel. They may be in favour of or be indifferent to the Israeli state’s right to exist but that isn’t the primary motivation for their flag waving. Edited June 3, 2019 by The OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Would they make a statement of shared identity with something they don't support? If it annoys Chelsea fans, yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, The OP said: It’s a statement of shared identity, whether real or simply as perceived by others. You making condescending and emphatic statements to the contrary doesn't disprove that. Certainly no more condescending than yours. Nothing pro-Zionists like more than to blur the lines between Jews and Zionists then falsely accuse people of deliberately crossing that line. One can be Jewish without showing support for Israel; anyone who chooses to show such support is fair game for any criticism that they receive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, The OP said: They revel in their yiddishness because their perceived Jewishness has historically been a point of abuse. This is why they chant yid army rather than songs about the state of Israel. They may be in favour of or be indifferent to the Israeli state’s right to exist but that isn’t the primary motivation for their flag waving. So why not wave a Yiddish flag rather than a Zionist one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, The OP said: They revel in their yiddishness because their perceived Jewishness has historically been a point of abuse. This is why they chant yid army rather than songs about the state of Israel. They may be in favour of or be indifferent to the Israeli state’s right to exist but that isn’t the primary motivation for their flag waving. Maybe they should try keeping religion away from football. Maybe Sevco and Celtic fans should also do so too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Maybe they should try keeping religion away from football. Maybe Sevco and Celtic fans should also do so too. And George Galloway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: So why not wave a Yiddish flag rather than a Zionist one? Is there such a thing and would it work as such a simple shorthand? Just now, Granny Danger said: Maybe they should try keeping religion away from football. Maybe Sevco and Celtic fans should also do so too. Maybe they should. Maybe George Galloway should avoid making tweets about football based upon his prejudices. Seems like you’re just distracting from the discussion at hand with whataboutery and ad hominem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, The OP said: Is there such a thing and would it work as such a simple shorthand? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, The OP said: Maybe they should. Maybe George Galloway should avoid making tweets about football based upon his prejudices. Seems like you’re just distracting from the discussion at hand with whataboutery and ad hominem. You’re struggling to keep your position straight and you accuse me of whataboutery. You mention chants of Yid Army and I said maybe they should keep religion out of football. Also you still haven’t clarified why support for “Jewishness” is the same as support for Israel. Though probably that’s because there is no justifiable clarification. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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