The normalisation of the far-right continues

[Melanius Mullarkey]

1 hour ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

'Targeted marching at a religious group' 

Well done on reading.

[carpetmonster]

I’d like ‘Packs Of 3’ by Arab Strap to be the anthem, simply because the opening line is ‘it was the biggest cock you’d ever seen’ and the idea of the camera panning up and down the football team mouthing that makes me giggle. 

Edited June 17, 2022 by carpetmonster

[carpetmonster]

10 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

Canny see it.  They're explicitly about race, which is an inheritable characteristic.. not just beliefs.

Nice try though.

No the Klan are also virulently anti-Catholic so it’s accurate to think of the OO as a diet (if you’ll pardon the pun) Klan. Be a bit silly to go on walks thru ex-mining towns screaming about Black people when the only one there is if Jose Quitongo’s got a game there that day. 

[Anonapersona]

I suppose the good thing about the OO and the Klan is that they are socially unacceptable for people who actually live in the 21st century.

[Duries Air Freshener]

2 minutes ago, Anonapersona said:

I suppose the good thing about the OO and the Klan is that they are socially unacceptable for people who actually live in the 21st century.

We all live in the same century surely?  Unless you've got an alternative theory of time to the mainstream.

[carpetmonster]

5 minutes ago, Anonapersona said:

I suppose the good thing about the OO and the Klan is that they are socially unacceptable for people who actually live in the 21st century.

Probably a nice kicker for the white glove industry outside of Christmas and birthdays for snooker referees too. 

[Miguel Sanchez]

2 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

Well no but it was very obvious to anyone with reading comprehension over the age of primary 5 that my post was in response to people claiming singing about hundreds of year old military victories as being weird.

It is, in both instances. 

This is why people find you tedious and call every troll on here an alias of you. Be better.

[Duries Air Freshener]

26 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Its just another excuse to divide people rather than unite against the common enemy. The British rulers/government were happy to let the Irish to fight amongst themselves, they were easier to control as long as they kept the fight away from them. As long.........

It's classic divide and conquer.

My advice would be to read up on why and how the Orange Order was founded.  It was nothing to do with the government or ‘rulers’.

Happy to help if you need further information.

[Clown Job]

15 minutes ago, Anonapersona said:

I suppose the good thing about the OO and the Klan is that they are socially unacceptable for people who actually live in the 21st century.

The OO are very much socially acceptable in Scotland and the UK

Labour even put one up for election not that long ago. 

You even have a lodge in the UK Parliament 

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

The Scottish National anthem should be "Drop The Pressure" by Mylo, with lyrics modified from "drop the" to "choke under".

Perfect for all the Scottish National sports teams, I'm sure you'll all agree.

[Duries Air Freshener]

13 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

The OO are very much socially acceptable in Scotland and the UK

Labour even put one up for election not that long ago. 

You even have a lodge in the UK Parliament 

Very true.

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Edited June 17, 2022 by Duries Air Freshener

[welshbairn]

20 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

My advice would be to read up on why and how the Orange Order was founded.  It was nothing to do with the government or ‘rulers’.

Happy to help if you need further information.

Interesting. From wiki

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Throughout the 1780s, sectarian tension had been building in County Armagh, largely due to the relaxation of the Penal Laws.[23] Here the number of Protestants and Catholics (in what was then Ireland's most populous county) were of roughly equal number, and competition between them to rent patches of land near markets was fierce.[23] Drunken brawls between rival gangs had by 1786 become openly sectarian.[23] These gangs eventually reorganised as the Protestant Peep o' Day Boys and the Catholic Defenders, with the next decade in County Armagh marked by fierce sectarian conflict between both groups, which escalated and spread into neighbouring counties.[23]

In September 1795, at a crossroads known as "The Diamond" near Loughgall, Defenders and Protestant Peep o' Day Boys gathered to fight each other.[23] This initial stand-off ended without battle when the priest that accompanied the Defenders persuaded them to seek a truce, after a group called the "Bleary Boys" came from County Down to reinforce the Peep o' Day Boys.[23] When a contingent of Defenders from County Tyrone arrived on 21 September, however, they were "determined to fight".[23] The Peep o' Day Boys quickly regrouped and opened fire on the Defenders.[23] According to William Blacker, the battle was short and the Defenders suffered "not less than thirty" deaths.[23]

After the battle had ended, the Peep o' Days marched into Loughgall, and in the house of James Sloan they founded the Orange Order, which was to be a Protestant defence association made up of lodges.[23] The principal pledge of these lodges was to defend "the King and his heirs so long as he or they support the Protestant Ascendancy".[23] At the start the Orange Order was a "parallel organisation" to the Defenders in that it was a secret oath-bound society that used passwords and signs.[23]

One of the very few landed gentry that joined the Orange Order at the outset, William Blacker, was unhappy with some of the outcomes of the Battle of the Diamond.[23] He says that a determination was expressed to "driving from this quarter of the county the entire of its Roman Catholic population", with notices posted warning them "to Hell or Connaught".[23] Other people were warned by notices not to inform on local Orangemen or "I will Blow your Soul to the Low hils of Hell And Burn the House you are in".[23] Within two months, 7,000 Catholics had been driven out of County Armagh.[23] According to Lord Gosford, the governor of Armagh:

It is no secret that a persecution is now raging in this country ... the only crime is ... profession of the Roman Catholic faith. Lawless banditti have constituted themselves judges ... and the sentence they have denounced ... is nothing less than a confiscation of all property, and an immediate banishment.[23]

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by welshbairn

[Duries Air Freshener]

4 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Interesting. From wiki

 

It's a real shame you left out the next part:

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"According to Col. R.H. Wallace, whoever the Governor believed were the "lawless banditti" they could not have been Orangemen as there were no lodges in existence at the time of his speech.^[21]"

Better luck next time, Welshy.

[Big Rider]

7 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

It's a real shame you left out the next part:

Better luck next time, Welshy.

Chelsea Fans?

[welshbairn]

4 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

It's a real shame you left out the next part:

Better luck next time, Welshy.

The Wallace you quote was the Lodge Grand Master of Belfast, hardly neutral. The bit that follows:

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According to historian Jim Smyth:

Later apologists rather implausibly deny any connection between the Peep-o'-Day Boys and the first Orangemen or, even less plausibly, between the Orangemen and the mass wrecking of Catholic cottages in Armagh in the months following 'the Diamond' – all of them, however, acknowledge the movement's lower-class origins.[25]

Interesting snippet later on questioning their much vaunted and unquestioning loyalty to the Crown:

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In 1836 the Order was accused of plotting to place Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Imperial Grand Master of the Orange Order, on the throne in place of Victoria when King William IV died; once the plot was revealed the House of Commons called upon the King to disband the Order.[40] Under pressure from Joseph Hume, William Molesworth and Lord John Russell, the King indicated measures would have to be taken and the Duke of Cumberland was forced to dissolve the Orange lodges.[41]

 

[Duries Air Freshener]

10 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

The Wallace you quote was the Lodge Grand Master of Belfast, hardly neutral. The bit that follows:

Interesting snippet later on questioning their much vaunted and unquestioning loyalty to the Crown:

 

He was an Orangeman, but it's a matter of fact that there were no Orange Lodges in existence at the time, as he says.

It's a matter of public record.

Edited June 17, 2022 by Duries Air Freshener

[welshbairn]

3 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

 

We didn't start 'til 1795 

That's the year 7 thousand Catholics were driven out of Armagh.

[Duries Air Freshener]

7 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

That's the year 7 thousand Catholics were driven out of Armagh.

After some research, I humbly climb down from my statement.

It still wasn't us though.

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

After some research, I humbly climb down from my statement.

It still wasn't us though.

 

26 minutes ago, Big Rider said:

Chelsea Fans?

[Duries Air Freshener]

1 minute ago, Snafu said:

Of course it is, its always about power and influence.

That sounds a bit conspiratorial to me, but if you can provide evidence of it then fair play.