NotThePars Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 There’s going to be cranks and ethnonationalists in any sizeable nationalist movement but the point is that it isn’t remotely indulged by the leaders of the Scottish National Party and wider Yes movement. Sturgeon and Salmond have both bent over backwards to be accommodating to anyone that wants to be a part of a socially inclusive Scotland and that’s to their credit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 I'm not in the slightest bit surprised to read that the BNP profited from Nick Griffin on QT and not because anything about him was impressive. The whole thing was absolutely embarrassing for the rest of the (relatively) liberal panel and the show itself. Having five or six people pointing fingers and screaming over a guest is going to illicit a sympathetic response from someone. Nick Griffin is a complete slaver as well, him speaking interrupted would've probably been more harmful for his own cause. There has been a few similarish examples with Cathy Newman and the like propelling various figure's profile by having a go at them. The problem is two-fold for me. Bob and others are right that the media have given certain groups way more exposure than they deserve. On top of that, the left and centre have done absolutely nothing to even think about the possible downsides of globalisation; far less offer up some kind of hopeful message to the people who are currently easy pickings for the far right. You've got one group of people getting on TV all the time to offer up incredibly emotional and simple political messages and another group calling the first group and anyone who likes them a scumbag. Recipe for disaster imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 47 minutes ago, DublinMagyar said: No, we don't-nationality has feck all to do with Scottish independence. apart from the unit of independence being defined by the nation you mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 43 minutes ago, jupe1407 said: I'll clarify my earlier post. You're clearly as thick as f**k. resort to insult. no argument. i'm convinced. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 39 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: Look mate, you're too dumb to discuss this. Just shut up. as above. i respect your views but it's not reciprocated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, coprolite said: apart from the unit of independence being defined by the nation you mean. You mean like every other country in the world champ? The point is self determination. We want Scotland to be governed by the people who live in Scotland. Same as Japan and Peru and France and Nigeria. Not governed by people in another country. You're a moron. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, coprolite said: as above. i respect your views but it's not reciprocated. I do not respect your views. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 40 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I don't give a f**k about nationality, I just don't like getting ruled by Tories and dragged out of the EU because of the vote in another country. I agree with all of this by the way. britsh nationalism is clearly worse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Just now, Peppino Impastato said: I do not respect your views. mature political discourse may help you to not be an arsehole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: You mean like every other country in the world champ? The point is self determination. We want Scotland to be governed by the people who live in Scotland. Same as Japan and Peru and France and Nigeria. Not governed by people in another country. You're a moron. Nigeria is one of the worst examples you could give and demonstrates an argument based on a lack of knowledge 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, coprolite said: mature political discourse may help you to not be an arsehole. You have no idea what mature political discourse is champ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, coprolite said: Nigeria is one of the worst examples you could give and demonstrates an argument based on a lack of knowledge Is it? Does it's next door neighbor govern it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Huge Numbers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: Is it? Does it's next door neighbor govern it? Biafra's does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Biafra's does. This changes everything 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Nigeria literally crushed an independence movement less than 50 years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Nigeria literally crushed an independence movement less than 50 years ago. Wow that's awesome. Do the people who live in Nigeria govern Nigeria? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: Wow that's awesome. Do the people who live in Nigeria govern Nigeria? like the people of the uk, yes they do. Don't worry. I won't assume that all nationalists are this dense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Nigeria is one of the worst examples you could give and demonstrates an argument based on a lack of knowledgeIs Cuban nationalism right wing?Yes/no answer please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, coprolite said: like the people of the uk, yes they do. Don't worry. I won't assume that all nationalists are this dense. Only a valid point if you're a British nationalist. Scotland, Wales and n Ireland's la k of self governance is by definition only acceptable to britnats. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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