Nock Nock Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I'm sorry if capital letters to highlight what information we had been given has offended you. I'm only trying to pass on the information, rather than leave it where people are guessing or making up their own conclusions. Perhaps I should just leave you all to it. As for interpretation of the rule, advice was sought, and given. There is nothing in the competition rules regarding the situation and as organisers we cannot set a precedent that may affect another game some other time. We don't like it any more than anyone else, we could certainly do without the added fixture.In the event of a game being unfinished through darkness due to late appearance of one or both teams, or any other cause, the Referee shall report same to the Regional Secretary, stating the time at which both teams appeared on the pitch or any other reason for the failure to complete. The Committee shall have the power to hold each match as finished and allow the result at the time of stoppage to stand if circumstances, in the opinion of the Committee, warrant such action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Only the WRSJFA could cause themselves a "fixture headache" in JULY, over a match that was delayed and then abandoned due to darkness at 7-1 with 5 minutes to go.I'd be less concerned about "setting a precedent" (which is what, exactly? Common sense?) than giving further credence to the well-established notion that they couldn't organise a piss up in a venue designed for that purpose and with the dedicated support of an experienced team of professional Piss Up Executives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Can see both sides here. Yes, it was highly unlikely that Kello would come back, but not replaying the game would set a precedent. Where would the line be drawn in future for other matches that were abandoned in terms of the scoreline and the time remaining? The management committee can't sit and judge that one result should stand because there was a big lead, but then say another match has to be replayed because there was only 2 goals in it. Likewise they can't let one result stand because there was only a few minutes left but replay another because it had 20 minutes to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nock Nock Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Can see both sides here. Yes, it was highly unlikely that Kello would come back, but not replaying the game would set a precedent. Where would the line be drawn in future for other matches that were abandoned in terms of the scoreline and the time remaining? The management committee can't sit and judge that one result should stand because there was a big lead, but then say another match has to be replayed because there was only 2 goals in it. Likewise they can't let one result stand because there was only a few minutes left but replay another because it had 20 minutes to go.What about simply playing the time that remains? Would that be a fair compromise? Bring Kello back to Cumnock for less than ten minutes.Hopefully common sense prevails as this situation is ludicrous. Have the paying punters been considered? We’ve paid money for a non event.There was a wave of optimism sweeping Junior football regarding the new fixtures set up, however yet again we’re find ourselves with the powers that be hiding behind dated bureaucracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bul2 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 To correct an error I made earlier, there was no “malfunction” of the floodlights, they were timed to go off at the time they didTherefore if floodlights go of due to the lateness of the evening is it likely that that event will have went hand in hand with an almost 1 hour delay for a serious injury- very very unlikely , but, if it ever does then allow the game to be deemed as over at that timeIf either of the two main reasons we have an issue were the only reason involved, then I can possibly see the sense of replaying the gameHowever, the likelihood of this full scenario happening again is slim so I don’t see where the precedent is being set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 So what happens if the park is already booked ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Maybe bring in a rule that states clubs can only play games under lights if the club has control over the lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nock10 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 To combat this farce repeating itself maybe midweek kick offs for 7pm is the way ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nock Nock Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Maybe bring in a rule that states clubs can only play games under lights if the club has control over the lights.The club has control of the lights, however due to the location of Townhead Park and us being good neighbours there is a pre agreed time that the lights will be off in the evenings. You will find that the vast majority of facilities like that at Cumnock will have similar localised agreements. The facility closes at 10pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Gentles Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Hope the lad who got the injury is fine and well. The correct desision has been made though one hundred percent and it needs to be replayed, nobodies fault really and just a freakish turn of events , the bul needs to calm down a bit and take a wee chill pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nock Nock Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 To combat this farce repeating itself maybe midweek kick offs for 7pm is the way ahead.Let’s put last night into context.There was a 50 minute injury delay!I’ve followed Junior football for a long time and I’ve never experienced such a delay before. Somethings are absolutely impossible to foresee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellsdale Boy Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Replaying the game helps nobody. Not the clubs, not the committees, not the Referees, not the players, not the fans.... It's 7-1 with approx 10 mins to go against 10 men with, as a poster said, a set of circumstances which are almost likely to never ever occur again.Show some common sense as not showing it is the only precedent still being set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wile E Coyote Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, Nock10 said: To combat this farce repeating itself maybe midweek kick offs for 7pm is the way ahead. The other games did kick off at 7. The Cumnock game kicked off later to make use of the lights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nock10 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 The other games did kick off at 7. The Cumnock game kicked off later to make use of the lightsThat's what I mean, we should just kick off at 7 bells like the rest of the midweek fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Can see both sides here. Yes, it was highly unlikely that Kello would come back, but not replaying the game would set a precedent. Where would the line be drawn in future for other matches that were abandoned in terms of the scoreline and the time remaining? The management committee can't sit and judge that one result should stand because there was a big lead, but then say another match has to be replayed because there was only 2 goals in it. Likewise they can't let one result stand because there was only a few minutes left but replay another because it had 20 minutes to go.Of course they can. A six goal lead with 10 minutes to go against ten men is an easy one to write off.This is like a case study in the application of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wile E Coyote Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nock10 said: That's what I mean, we should just kick off at 7 bells like the rest of the midweek fixtures. Can see your point but surely its better to give the players and fans a bit of extra time to get there after work if you can. Last night was a set of circumstances that is unlikely to be repeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viewparker Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, GordonS said: Of course they can. A six goal lead with 10 minutes to go against ten men is an easy one to write off. This is like a case study in the application of common sense. Had no one ever saw that Peruvian, Pacific League Southern Division 5 game when Old Cants came back from 8 -3 down .......... no neither has anyone because it’s a load of crap that a team winning 7-1 has to replay a game that finished 10 mins early. Now if our Old Cants are using some stupid excuse like “precedent “ in this occasion they are hardly fit for purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie2502 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Its the ref at fault in my opinion. He knew fine well when starting the game again that it wasnt going to get finnished on time yet still decided to play on. Why??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.M Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 crazy, replay not required , could Kello just not " turn up " next Monday and points given to Cumnock ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennie Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Fast forward to the end of the season, Cumnock need to win their last game by 7 clear goals to win the league. The score is 7-1. Their opponents have just had their goalkeeper sent off. There is 10 minutes left to play and the ref abandons the game. Sorry Cumnock, we know you could probably have scored that all important goal but...………………………….. Unlikely, I know, but so was yesterday's set of circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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