accies1874 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: 8 hours ago, DrewDon said: Gordon will start against Belgium but it will be McGregor against Albania, according to the Daily Record. That kind of stuff makes it sound like McLeish/the SFA think both games are friendlies... If we played Archer against Albania, then I'd think he sees it as a friendly, but he's just giving two good 'keepers a shot. I would guess that he considers McGregor as his first-choice anyway, but he just wants to give Gordon as many chances as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M0rtonfc Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Gordon will start against Belgium but it will be McGregor against Albania, according to the Daily Record. And so he should, McGregor by far our best keeper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said: 10 hours ago, DrewDon said: Gordon will start against Belgium but it will be McGregor against Albania, according to the Daily Record. That kind of stuff makes it sound like McLeish/the SFA think both games are friendlies... It doesn't really. We have two goalkeepers who are basically as good as each other, and it makes sense to give them a game each. The fact it's that way round suggests that McLeish might see McGregor as first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: It doesn't really. We have two goalkeepers who are basically as good as each other, and it makes sense to give them a game each. The fact it's that way round suggests that McLeish might see McGregor as first choice. Or that Gordon will be the busier goalkeeper and he can handle it better than McGregor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Both of them are perfectly capable of being busy. McGregor's performance against Belgium in Brussels under Levein was one of the best I've ever seen from a Scotland keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
List_of_Jericho Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Don't really see the point in playing Belgium as a warm up for Albania. We'll be camped in our own box for 90 minutes tonight then expect to come out on the front foot against the Albanians on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 42 minutes ago, List_of_Jericho said: Don't really see the point in playing Belgium as a warm up for Albania. We'll be camped in our own box for 90 minutes tonight then expect to come out on the front foot against the Albanians on Monday. This has been noted repeatedly and dismissed due to the lack of options - most teams are playing in the nations league so aren't available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 15 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said: What is 'international level'? I'm pretty sure McTominay would find the 'level' of football against Albania and Israel a tad easier than any Premier League matches he will be playing. Do you not think playing for your club and getting regular first team football is important going into the national setup? Or being a Man Utd player should automatically get you in the squad? Darren Fletcher was in the Man Utd team for years and Scotland never qualified for anything,for me it seems that Scotland are making the same mistakes over and over again. I'm not doubting McTominay's ability I'm doubting his inexperience,he has only played 16 times in the first team for me that's not enough to be in the national side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 30 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: Do you not think playing for your club and getting regular first team football is important going into the national setup? Or being a Man Utd player should automatically get you in the squad?Darren Fletcher was in the Man Utd team for years and Scotland never qualified for anything,for me it seems that Scotland are making the same mistakes over and over again. I'm not doubting McTominay's ability I'm doubting his inexperience,he has only played 16 times in the first team for me that's not enough to be in the national side. Oh, well f**k Man Utd players then, because in a team game, the fact that we didn't qualify whilst having probably our best player in the side is absolutely down to just him. With analysis like that, you should apply to Sportsound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, forameus said: Oh, well f**k Man Utd players then, because in a team game, the fact that we didn't qualify whilst having probably our best player in the side is absolutely down to just him. With analysis like that, you should apply to Sportsound. You are missing the broader point it's not the club that's important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullard Bluteau Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 McLeish already has a very poor record since taking over. He seems to be writing off tonights match as just practice for Monday. the compliant press will let him off lightly as usual following another defeat. Regardless of Belgiums current status, a defeat on home soil should NEVER be accepted as inevitable. Neither should selecting players who are currently reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: You are missing the broader point it's not the club that's important. Largely, no. But it's not as if they've got some jobber on their hands playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Players playing at big clubs are, for the most part, better than those playing for small clubs. He's hardly been shoehorned in, he's in because he's one of the better options we have. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 hours ago, craigkillie said: It doesn't really. We have two goalkeepers who are basically as good as each other, and it makes sense to give them a game each. The fact it's that way round suggests that McLeish might see McGregor as first choice. Neither of them are kids, both can handle playing for Scotland and both have big game experience. It is a nonsense for him not to select a first choice, a total cop out. You can argue ether way but just pick one and be decisive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 There is a chance - just a chance - that the Daily Record is talking shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, forameus said: Largely, no. But it's not as if they've got some jobber on their hands playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Players playing at big clubs are, for the most part, better than those playing for small clubs. He's hardly been shoehorned in, he's in because he's one of the better options we have. It's that simple. As I said above for me his lack of first team experience is a doubt for me, we all want to see scotland qualify for a major tourney for me there is better options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Marshmallo said: Neither of them are kids, both can handle playing for Scotland and both have big game experience. It is a nonsense for him not to select a first choice, a total cop out. You can argue ether way but just pick one and be decisive. Does it make that much of a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hursty Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said: Do you not think playing for your club and getting regular first team football is important going into the national setup? Or being a Man Utd player should automatically get you in the squad? Darren Fletcher was in the Man Utd team for years and Scotland never qualified for anything,for me it seems that Scotland are making the same mistakes over and over again. I'm not doubting McTominay's ability I'm doubting his inexperience,he has only played 16 times in the first team for me that's not enough to be in the national side. Wales pumped Ireland last night with a 17 year old Chelsea player in centre midfield, dont have the stats but cant imagine he has many appearances at first team level. Its all about picking the right mix. Is an inexperienced McTominay a better option in a 3 than say an experienced Kevin McDonald / Ryan Jack / James McArthur etc? I've no idea, but it's up to McLeish to work it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, Hursty said: Wales pumped Ireland last night with a 17 year old Chelsea player in centre midfield, dont have the stats but cant imagine he has many appearances at first team level. Its all about picking the right mix. Is an inexperienced McTominay a better option in a 3 than say an experienced Kevin McDonald / Ryan Jack / James McArthur etc? I've no idea, but it's up to McLeish to work it out. I have no problem with him playing in a friendly,being progressive isn't the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 40 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: I have no problem with him playing in a friendly,being progressive isn't the problem. So he plays against Belgium and looks very good, but we can't play him in the competitive game because he doesn't have enough experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 He will play Vs Albania if only to tie him down to Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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