SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said: Good Lord. That's a tremendous amount of absolute shite to cram into one short post - most impressive. Any evidence of these school classes where children are encouraged not to achieve? Lots. Every child gets a medal is an example. Children are also limited by a system which does not focus on excellence but has teachers spend most of their time on those who need attention. Ignore it if you like but we will continue to slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Tbf, some primary school sports days local to me are a joke nowadays - that's when they're not postponed outright for unremarkable (and inaccurate) weather forecasts. A rather different argument from that referring to classes where children are encouraged not to achieve though. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, SouthLanarkshireWhite said: Children are also limited by a system which does not focus on excellence but has teachers spend most of their time on those who need attention. Ignore it if you like but we will continue to slide. And yet attainment levels for the more able have been on an upward curve for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Lots. Every child gets a medal is an example. Children are also limited by a system which does not focus on excellence but has teachers spend most of their time on those who need attention. Ignore it if you like but we will continue to slide.Utter, utter shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Raidernation said: Utter, utter shite I will bow to your more reasoned argument! You make my point very well_ enter a debate and swear a lot. Impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I suspect several years of teaching and being a principal teacher in Scotland might give me a smidgen of insight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, SouthLanarkshireWhite said: I will bow to your more reasoned argument! You make my point very well_ enter a debate and swear a lot. Impressive. Well support your case then. What evidence have you that pupils in classes are "encouraged not to achieve"? Perhaps like him you're a teacher, but one with frontline experience of this extraordinary phenomenon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Kids being encouraged not to achieve seems very much like the kind of urban myth the Daily Mail would bang on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44833318 For a young democracy their team reaching the World Cup semi-finals was a massive feat, and a fantastic means of promotion. But the story of Croatian football success (and sport in general) is mostly one of achievement in spite of numerous obstacles put in front of the athletes, rather than the result of a well-thought-out and organised system. For instance, Croatia only has five pitches that meet Uefa's international standard. The infrastructure is mostly appalling and the investment in grassroots football is basically non-existent. Talented players are forced to leave their clubs early because of the bad financial situation most Croatian clubs face, which prompts them to sell their prized assets once they hit double-digit caps. There are just two home-based players in Croatia's World Cup squad - Dinamo Zagreb goalkeeper Dominik Livakovic and Rijeka midfielder Filip Bradaric. Between them they have played less than half an hour in Russia. In order to obtain a proper Uefa coaching licence in Croatia you had to be a professional footballer, and having international caps is a must if you want to reach the final stages of your coaching education. That narrows the pool in a country desperate for quality coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 12 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44833318 For a young democracy their team reaching the World Cup semi-finals was a massive feat, and a fantastic means of promotion. But the story of Croatian football success (and sport in general) is mostly one of achievement in spite of numerous obstacles put in front of the athletes, rather than the result of a well-thought-out and organised system. For instance, Croatia only has five pitches that meet Uefa's international standard. The infrastructure is mostly appalling and the investment in grassroots football is basically non-existent. Talented players are forced to leave their clubs early because of the bad financial situation most Croatian clubs face, which prompts them to sell their prized assets once they hit double-digit caps. There are just two home-based players in Croatia's World Cup squad - Dinamo Zagreb goalkeeper Dominik Livakovic and Rijeka midfielder Filip Bradaric. Between them they have played less than half an hour in Russia. In order to obtain a proper Uefa coaching licence in Croatia you had to be a professional footballer, and having international caps is a must if you want to reach the final stages of your coaching education. That narrows the pool in a country desperate for quality coaches. Yes, Adrian Chiles who's half Croatian was on about this the other day. It makes me laugh when people suggest we should copy their 'system'. It's clear that their success comes despite what they do, rather than because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Raidernation has the correct answer. Mozza in first with my answer, as usual <_>No he doesn’t. We have cultural and social problems in Scotland that don’t encourage kids to do well from a young age, too many embedded negative attitudes that make success seem impossible from a young age and we have a massive, classless drug, alcohol and obesity problems throughout our population which we pass onto our next generations. Shite weather doesnt help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Has anyone said its Rangers* and Celtics fault yet?Cause it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Has anyone said its Rangers* and Celtics fault yet? Cause it is. Mostly. Though decisions like falkirks to close their youth academy to save money are also responsible and utterly shameful as well as being breathtakingly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Belgium "One of the findings in the university research was that there was far too much emphasis on winning and not enough on development. "Croatia: "Our boys do not play in real competitions until they are 12 or 13, and even then the result is not everything." Denmark "More youngsters will become successful football players if they are allowed to have fun rather than focusing on results. "Iceland: "Football clubs are community-focused. They allow anyone to join, regardless of ability." To get better at anything over the longer term (sport, music, dance ...) you need to concentrate on the bits you’re not good atTo succeed in the short term you need to concentrate on what you’re good at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 hours ago, throbber said: . Shite weather doesnt help either. Come on. You’re (marginally) better than this throbber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Come on. You’re (marginally) better than this throbber.It’s a completely valid point. Croatia has lovely weather, Sweden and Norway are cold but are much drier which makes it more appealing to go outside and play football. Scotland is cold, dark and wet for at least half of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Sweden and Norway are cold but are much drier which makes it more appealing to go outside and play football. Scotland is cold, dark and wet for at least half of the year.Bollocks. Norway is colder, darker and as wet as Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: Bollocks. Norway is colder, darker and as wet as Scotland. Yet despite this their parrots thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennboy1978 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Yet despite this their parrots thrive.Norwegian Parrot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 hours ago, throbber said: It’s a completely valid point. Croatia has lovely weather, Sweden and Norway are cold but are much drier which makes it more appealing to go outside and play football. Scotland is cold, dark and wet for at least half of the year. 14 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: Bollocks. Norway is colder, darker and as wet as Scotland. Looks very moist in Croatia as well according to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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