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1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Good Lord.

That's a tremendous amount of absolute shite to cram into one short post - most impressive.

 

Any evidence of these school classes where children are encouraged not to achieve?

Lots. Every child gets a medal is an example. Children are also limited by a system which does not focus on excellence but has teachers spend most of their time on those who need attention. Ignore it if you like but we will continue to slide.

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12 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Tbf, some primary school sports days local to me are a joke nowadays - that's when they're not postponed outright for unremarkable (and inaccurate) weather forecasts.

A rather different argument from that referring to classes where children are encouraged not to achieve though.

No?

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10 minutes ago, SouthLanarkshireWhite said:

Children are also limited by a system which does not focus on excellence but has teachers spend most of their time on those who need attention. Ignore it if you like but we will continue to slide.

And yet attainment levels for the more able have been on an upward curve for quite a while.

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Lots. Every child gets a medal is an example. Children are also limited by a system which does not focus on excellence but has teachers spend most of their time on those who need attention. Ignore it if you like but we will continue to slide.

Utter, utter shite
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1 hour ago, SouthLanarkshireWhite said:

I will bow to your more reasoned argument!   You make my point very well_ enter a debate and swear a lot.

 

Impressive. 

Well support your case then.

What evidence have you that pupils in classes are "encouraged not to achieve"?

Perhaps like him you're a teacher, but one with frontline experience of this extraordinary phenomenon?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44833318

For a young democracy their team reaching the World Cup semi-finals was a massive feat, and a fantastic means of promotion.

But the story of Croatian football success (and sport in general) is mostly one of achievement in spite of numerous obstacles put in front of the athletes, rather than the result of a well-thought-out and organised system.

For instance, Croatia only has five pitches that meet Uefa's international standard. The infrastructure is mostly appalling and the investment in grassroots football is basically non-existent.

Talented players are forced to leave their clubs early because of the bad financial situation most Croatian clubs face, which prompts them to sell their prized assets once they hit double-digit caps.

There are just two home-based players in Croatia's World Cup squad - Dinamo Zagreb goalkeeper Dominik Livakovic and Rijeka midfielder Filip Bradaric. Between them they have played less than half an hour in Russia.

In order to obtain a proper Uefa coaching licence in Croatia you had to be a professional footballer, and having international caps is a must if you want to reach the final stages of your coaching education. That narrows the pool in a country desperate for quality coaches.

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12 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44833318

For a young democracy their team reaching the World Cup semi-finals was a massive feat, and a fantastic means of promotion.

But the story of Croatian football success (and sport in general) is mostly one of achievement in spite of numerous obstacles put in front of the athletes, rather than the result of a well-thought-out and organised system.

For instance, Croatia only has five pitches that meet Uefa's international standard. The infrastructure is mostly appalling and the investment in grassroots football is basically non-existent.

Talented players are forced to leave their clubs early because of the bad financial situation most Croatian clubs face, which prompts them to sell their prized assets once they hit double-digit caps.

There are just two home-based players in Croatia's World Cup squad - Dinamo Zagreb goalkeeper Dominik Livakovic and Rijeka midfielder Filip Bradaric. Between them they have played less than half an hour in Russia.

In order to obtain a proper Uefa coaching licence in Croatia you had to be a professional footballer, and having international caps is a must if you want to reach the final stages of your coaching education. That narrows the pool in a country desperate for quality coaches.

Yes, Adrian Chiles who's half Croatian was on about this the other day.

It makes me laugh when people suggest we should copy their 'system'.  It's clear that their success comes despite what they do, rather than because of it.

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Raidernation has the correct answer.
Mozza in first with my answer, as usual  <_>


No he doesn’t. We have cultural and social problems in Scotland that don’t encourage kids to do well from a young age, too many embedded negative attitudes that make success seem impossible from a young age and we have a massive, classless drug, alcohol and obesity problems throughout our population which we pass onto our next generations. Shite weather doesnt help either.
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Belgium "One of the findings in the university research was that there was far too much emphasis on winning and not enough on development. "
Croatia: "Our boys do not play in real competitions until they are 12 or 13, and even then the result is not everything." 
Denmark "More youngsters will become successful football players if they are allowed to have fun rather than focusing on results. "
Iceland: "Football clubs are community-focused. They allow anyone to join, regardless of ability."
 



To get better at anything over the longer term (sport, music, dance ...) you need to concentrate on the bits you’re not good at

To succeed in the short term you need to concentrate on what you’re good at


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Come on. You’re (marginally) better than this throbber.


It’s a completely valid point. Croatia has lovely weather, Sweden and Norway are cold but are much drier which makes it more appealing to go outside and play football. Scotland is cold, dark and wet for at least half of the year.
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Sweden and Norway are cold but are much drier which makes it more appealing to go outside and play football. Scotland is cold, dark and wet for at least half of the year.

Bollocks. Norway is colder, darker and as wet as Scotland.
climate_map_of_norway.jpg
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2 hours ago, throbber said:

 


It’s a completely valid point. Croatia has lovely weather, Sweden and Norway are cold but are much drier which makes it more appealing to go outside and play football. Scotland is cold, dark and wet for at least half of the year.

 

 

14 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:


Bollocks. Norway is colder, darker and as wet as Scotland.
climate_map_of_norway.jpg

Looks very moist in Croatia as well according to that.

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