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EOSL in Scottish Cup 2018-19


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Couple of seasons ago the SFA dumped the clubs outwith SPFL/HL/LL into the preliminary rounds, so everyone now begins at that stage. There is an uncommonly large EOSL entry this season although no doubt it will increase in years to come.


Tynecastle and Bonnyrigg definitely enter in Preliminary R1 due on Saturday 11th August... They qualified as winners of the South & East of Scotland Cup-Winners' Shield and the East Junior Superleague respectively.

Hawick, LTHV, Preston, Coldstream, Burntisland and Linlithgow might enter in PR1 or perhaps in PR2 due on Saturday 1st September... Another oddity the SFA started a couple of seasons ago is that, for this round only, the clubs joining at the next round are decided randomly instead of by league finishing position. (Had it been the latter Hawick, LTHV and Preston would definitely have started in PR2 with Threave and St Cuthbert).

Also definitely entering in PR1 are Auchinleck, Beith and amateur side Shortlees. Also with a 9 / 14 chance of entering in PR1, and otherwise PR2, are 4 SOSL clubs - Threave, St Cuthbert, Newton Stewart and Wigtown - plus the usual miscellaneous smattering of Golspie, Banks o'Dee, Girvan and Glasgow Uni.


Draw apparently between Monday 16th + Friday 20th July.

Bonnyrigg, LTHV and Linlithgow will no doubt fancy their chances against anyone... but would prefer to avoid each other, Auchinleck or Beith. Hawick and Preston will probably be looking for a favourable matchup with one of South or miscellaneous teams. Coldstream and Burntisland haven't an enviable record in recent times but would fancy their chances with most of the South sides, Golspie, or Glasgow Uni. Contrary to last season hopefully most don't draw each other.

Thoughts?

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6 hours ago, Eednud said:

The spread of dates is unbelievable but typical SFA.

Maybe due to the large amount of EoSL clubs in the hat, they think it's going to take 5 days to complete the draw!

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42 minutes ago, sponsorsladdie said:

Pretty sure that Linlithgow go into the 2nd preliminary round due to being licensed

Not so.

There are 14 licensed clubs - but fully 9 of them will be randomly drawn to enter in PR1 (alongside 5 qualifiers), with the remaining 5 entering in PR2. This is as there are only 6 places in R1 for clubs progressing from the preliminaries... so 7 clubs must be eliminated in PR1, then 6 more in PR2. Basically you've 64% chance of starting PR1 and 36% of starting PR2.

As I say you should count yourself lucky there's a 36% of randomly avoiding PR1. Were it like every other stage of the cup, with entry by finishing position in the league pyramid, you'd 100% be PR1.

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The way they do the rounds now are a mess.  Needs to be sorted in the future.  The preliminary rounds are far too random and the clubs outwith the HL/LL are penalised too much.

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2 hours ago, stanley said:

The way they do the rounds now are a mess.  Needs to be sorted in the future.  The preliminary rounds are far too random and the clubs outwith the HL/LL are penalised too much.

They'll have to do something as it's almost at the point of collapsing under its own weight anyway.

You can accommodate a maximum of 24 in the preliminaries (i.e. if you made everyone enter PR1). There are currently 14 licensed members + upto 8 qualifiers = 22. More than 2 clubs want to join/get licensed/etc.


When they reorganised the cup in 2007 there were only 36 members outside SPL & SFL and only 6 qualifier routes (plus this was before Lowland began so East & South were usually won by members). There weren't actually enough clubs to fully fit the format so top 4 Championship clubs got byes to R4, top 2 Highland and champions of East & South got byes to R2. Despite this in the first season there was still usually a single random bye in R1.

However over the last 5yrs or so the number of members has gradually increased due to senior clubs like LTHV meeting the criteria, clubs joining the pyramid and so on - plus the Amateur Cup and South-East Shield received qualifier slots. Initially this just required a preliminary round of a few ties and it was decided licensed clubs, were exempt. However as SFA members met their goal of getting licensed - and LL grew to 16 - this squeezed out that solution and for 2015-16 there had to be 2 preliminary rounds. In June 2016 the SFA failed to bring any proposal to its AGM but shortly after their board adopted an 'emergency measure' that solved the problems by putting licensed clubs outwith SPFL/HL/LL into the preliminaries. This was pretty unfair on these clubs - they had worked hard towards licensing in order to keep their places in the Scottish Cup proper and no more than 6 of them could ever reach R1 even if they avoided defeat to each other and the qualifiers - but despite large scale opposition it narrowly passed at 2017 AGM. However this measure itself is now almost maxed-out.

To return to the stat I began with: in 2007 there were 36 non-league members and upto 6 qualifiers. There are now 34 non-league members in HL / LL alone (all entitled to join at R1), 14 other non-league members, and upto 8 qualifiers. Membership and licensing also have the same criteria so using that as a differential is also redundant. So with 12* more members and rising - all licensed - and upto 2 more qualifiers, it's gone from having "spare byes to give away" in 2007 to the cup "strangling itself" in 2018.

*joined since 2007 are... Formartine; Strathspey; Turriff; BSCG; Cumbernauld; EK; Edusport; Gretna 2008; Kelty; Stirling Uni; Linlithgow; LTHV; + Banks o'Dee - while Gretna FC folded.

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Draw for PR1 & PR2 announced as 3pm on Monday. Here's the teams:


Play in First Preliminary Round
   1     Auchinleck Talbot
   2     Beith
   3     Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
   4     Shortless
   5     Tynecastle

9/14 will be drawn to play in First Preliminary Round
   6     Banks o'Dee
   7     Burntisland Shipyard
   8     Coldstream
   9     Girvan
10     Glasgow University
11     Golspie Sutherland
12     Hawick Royal Albert
13     Linlithgow Rose
14     Lothian Thistle HV
15     Newton Stewart
16     Preston Athletic
17     St Cuthbert Wanderers
18     Threave Rovers
19     Wigtown & Bladnoch

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First Preliminary Round
(Girvan, LTHV, Newton Stewart, Linlithgow and Wigtown were not randomly drawn to play in PR1)

Hawick v Bonnyrigg
Tynecastle v Shortlees
Golspie v Burntisland
Auchinleck v Banks o'Dee
Coldstream v St Cuthbert
Preston v Glasgow Uni
Threave v Beith



With the exception of Hawick that's a reasonably favourable draw for EOSL clubs.




Second Preliminary Round

Auchinleck / Banks o'Dee v Wigtown
Girvan v Golspie / Burntisland
Hawick / Bonnyrigg v Tynecastle / Shortlees
Newton Stewart v Coldstream / St Cuthbert
Preston / Glasgow Uni v Linlithgow
Threave / Beith v LTHV



Less favourable with several drawing each other and LTHV potentially travelling to Beith.

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3 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

First Preliminary Round
(Girvan, LTHV, Newton Stewart, Linlithgow and Wigtown were not randomly drawn to play in PR1)

Hawick v Bonnyrigg
Tynecastle v Shortlees
Golspie v Burntisland
Auchinleck v Banks o'Dee
Coldstream v St Cuthbert
Preston v Glasgow Uni
Threave v Beith



With the exception of Hawick that's a reasonably favourable draw for EOSL clubs.




Second Preliminary Round

Auchinleck / Banks o'Dee v Wigtown
Girvan v Golspie / Burntisland
Hawick / Bonnyrigg v Tynecastle / Shortlees
Newton Stewart v Coldstream / St Cuthbert
Preston / Glasgow Uni v Linlithgow
Threave / Beith v LTHV



Less favourable with several drawing each other and LTHV potentially travelling to Beith.

Notice that Burghmuir Rugby are scheduled to be playing two friendly games at home on the 11th August. Possible switch for the Tynecastle game?

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First Preliminary Round
(Girvan, LTHV, Newton Stewart, Linlithgow and Wigtown were not randomly drawn to play in PR1)

Hawick v Bonnyrigg
Tynecastle v Shortlees
Golspie v Burntisland
Auchinleck v Banks o'Dee
Coldstream v St Cuthbert
Preston v Glasgow Uni
Threave v Beith



With the exception of Hawick that's a reasonably favourable draw for EOSL clubs.




Second Preliminary Round

Auchinleck / Banks o'Dee v Wigtown
Girvan v Golspie / Burntisland
Hawick / Bonnyrigg v Tynecastle / Shortlees
Newton Stewart v Coldstream / St Cuthbert
Preston / Glasgow Uni v Linlithgow
Threave / Beith v LTHV



Less favourable with several drawing each other and LTHV potentially travelling to Beith.
Any chance of Glasgow Uni beating Preston? I played for them a little bit, quarter of a century ago, so I'd like to see the Rose play them. Happy either way as it'll be a new ground for me.
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5 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said:

Notice that Burghmuir Rugby are scheduled to be playing two friendly games at home on the 11th August. Possible switch for the Tynecastle game?

Scottish Cup = priority, surely.

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Just now, HibeeJibee said:

Scottish Cup = priority, surely.

On the Burghmuir OS in their original news release about Tyncastle ground sharing it says that Tynie respected that it had been Burghmuir's ground for 98 years and rugby had 1st call on the ground.

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7 hours ago, gogsy said:

Glasgow Uni beat a decent Lothian Thistle team in the South Challlenge cup last year I think, and only lost to South champions Threave in the Scottish cup after a replay so probably have a chance. (Obviously squad might be different this season)

That was the LTHV odd result considering how average Glasgow Uni are - did they rest players?

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13 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Airdrie?

I didn't know that. How disappointing. 

11 hours ago, gogsy said:

Glasgow Uni beat a decent Lothian Thistle team in the South Challlenge cup last year I think, and only lost to South champions Threave in the Scottish cup after a replay so probably have a chance. (Obviously squad might be different this season)

Ta. 

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On ‎16‎/‎07‎/‎2018 at 21:41, cowdenbeath said:

Notice that Burghmuir Rugby are scheduled to be playing two friendly games at home on the 11th August. Possible switch for the Tynecastle game?

Switched to Sunday 12th August.

Probably boost the crowd.

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