ayrmad Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: https://www.samh.org.uk/about-mental-health https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/a-z-mental-health/ Take your pick. 3 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Mind (The biggest UK Mental Health Charity) have this primerhttps://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/mental-health-problems-introduction/ Hopefully that helps Cheers, was meaning more in a physiological way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Cheers, was meaning more in a physiological way. If you are into neurotransmitter and neuroendocrine systems and the influence of bipolar disorder, a well known mental illness, read this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525098/ Im sure there are plenty other studies on other physiological effects/causes on other mental illnesses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 9 hours ago, ayrmad said: I'm quite sure the levels of smack went up when we were controlling a good chunk of Afghanistan. Have you any proof of this or is it just a situation you've thought up? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dele said: Have you any proof of this or is it just a situation you've thought up? Only my memory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nsr Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 hours ago, throbber said: A good chunk of the population don’t believe depression is an illness I would imagine, that’s why there’s so much effort put into mental health awareness these days. I attended high school between 98-04 and don’t remember receiving any education on mental health so I’d imagine a good chunk of people older than me are completely ignorant on the matter. Same here. I imagine most people know pretty much zero about it unless it affects them or someone they're close to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, oaksoft said: Fucking hell, I give up. I think that's wise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: https://www.samh.org.uk/about-mental-health https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/a-z-mental-health/ Take your pick. There's loads to choose from. Can I get back to you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Have you any proof of this or is it just a situation you've thought up? You have to acknowledge this[mention=76717]Dele[/mention]. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Whit? Where on earth did I say that? I said depression wasn't an illness. I categorically did NOT say that there was no such thing as mental illness you lying b*****d. Depression can be lifted by changing your mindset or thinking/talking the problem away. You cannot think or talk away an illness. Ergo....etc. What is depression if it's not a mental illness? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 What is depression if it's not a mental illness?Tbf this argument is about semantics. He's acknowledging depression as a (presumably sometimes serious) mental health problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, pandarilla said: You have to acknowledge this[mention=76717]Dele[/mention]. I actually let myself down by posting that, it is far better just telling them the evidence is there if they wish to look for it, usually followed by numerous sheepish dumplings posting about me being a numpty as I don't post the proof, the non sheep usually know whether it's bullshit or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 The UK Medical Profession or a boy who cant control folk shiting in his own lavvy, posting on a football forum? Think I know which side Im coming down on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Yes that's correct. It's not just semantics though. It's incredibly important not to mis-label things as illnesses when they are not because of two things. Firstly, like addiction, those suffering can end up believing that this isn't something they can personally get themselves out of by changing their lives and their outlook on life. Secondly, and more dangerously, it can lead GP's to over-prescribe drugs which can lead to serious side effects including addiction. This has been happening and there are huge efforts being made to move to non-drug solutions and away from this "here's a pill" nonsense. People need to engage their brains a little more on this subject instead of jumping down peoples throats every time they read a counter-viewpoint. I've taken 5 minutes to engage my brain and give a reasoned and logical answer to this - you're a condescending moron. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Fucking hell, I give up. [emoji38] Whit? Where on earth did I say that? I said depression wasn't an illness. I categorically did NOT say that there was no such thing as mental illness you lying b*****d. Depression can be lifted by changing your mindset or thinking/talking the problem away. You cannot think or talk away an illness. Ergo....etc. Yes that's correct. It's not just semantics though. It's incredibly important not to mis-label things as illnesses when they are not because of two things. Firstly, like addiction, those suffering can end up believing that this isn't something they can personally get themselves out of by changing their lives and their outlook on life. Secondly, and more dangerously, it can lead GP's to over-prescribe drugs which can lead to serious side effects including addiction. This has been happening and there are huge efforts being made to move to non-drug solutions and away from this "here's a pill" nonsense. People need to engage their brains a little more on this subject instead of jumping down peoples throats every time they read a counter-viewpoint. As far as addiction and depression go, there is no illness which can be cured by talking or thinking it away and therefore neither can be an illness.Gives up... clearly tells fibs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 4 hours ago, ayrmad said: That's Opium farming in Afghanistan, not smack in Britain. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Depression isnt being down in the dumps ffs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Oaksoft isn't a troll. He's a bitter c**t who genuinely enjoys taking pot shots at folk less fortunate than him. He's fucking vile. His stance against young adults showed him for what he is. He can't stand that people younger than him actually have a say in the world and he lashes out as a result. This subject makes him feel better because people with depression are "beneath" him, and he'll never take an argument against that because it makes him feel worse. And we can't have that. He NEEDS to be able to look down on folk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I am trying to engage my brain here but I just don't get it, maybe I am being stupid. Leaving addiction aside for a moment. Are you saying that depression isn't an illness, because it cannot be cured by talking with a psychiatrist? You never mentioned taking prescribed anti-depressent drugs, but I assume that you know that both usually happen together. So have I got this right then, depression isn't an illness because it cannot be cured by taking prescribed medication or by talking to a psychiatrist? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Yes that's correct. It's not just semantics though. It's incredibly important not to mis-label things as illnesses when they are not because of two things. Firstly, like addiction, those suffering can end up believing that this isn't something they can personally get themselves out of by changing their lives and their outlook on life. Secondly, and more dangerously, it can lead GP's to over-prescribe drugs which can lead to serious side effects including addiction. This has been happening and there are huge efforts being made to move to non-drug solutions and away from this "here's a pill" nonsense. People need to engage their brains a little more on this subject instead of jumping down peoples throats every time they read a counter-viewpoint. As far as addiction and depression go, there is no illness which can be cured by talking or thinking it away and therefore neither can be an illness.There’s actually things in there that make sense but you seem to then have applied them to your own arbitrary definition of illness. I agree that part of our mental health crisis is the immediate jump to pills than getting to the root of the problem. However the NHS don’t have the resource to do that so they resort to endless prescriptions of anti depressants. My personal experience is that I went through years of pills and therapy and it got me absolutely nowhere. The best thing that happened to me was to realise what was making me so deeply unhappy and to work at those things on a daily basis. I think in terms of treating depression we’d be on a similar page, however my experience is my own only. Where id pick you up is I am not cured, I still get relatively regular bouts of crippling depression, I just have more tools to manage that and get through it. A lot of that is rest, eating well, drinking well, looking after yourself. There’s physical illnesses where that is part of the solution too as opposed to pills yet I doubt you’d be on here claiming they’re not illnesses. If I can wake up in the morning feeling like I want my life to end, I don’t think the fact that I can take steps to alleviate that makes it not an illness. Now it doesn’t really affect me that you don’t believe it to be an illness but at a time where suicide rates are so high I think your views are quite dangerous and symptomatic of why many men don’t end up addressing it. You do have a point but I think it’s articulated quite condescendingly. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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