Drug deaths in Scotland hit record high

[Bairnardo]

10 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Well after a day or two of decent debate, that escalated pretty quickly.

I always make it a rule to quit a thread when the usual "intellectual heavyweights" descend like the plague and turn the place into a chimps tea party.

Screeching and faeces flinging isn't really my thing.

Doesn't have a point. Realised he doesn't have a point. Types out the above minter. Quits.

 

"I always make it a rule...." 

[throbber]

I love it how the man who said he would disown his children if they broke the law is attempting to take the moral high ground here.

[Rugster]

8 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

I nearly bought heroin last year. I was in a bad way mentally and going through a particularly rough patch of depression. I had been at the football earlier, and whilst that was a good laugh, I was drunk by the time I got back to Dundee, alone. I proceeded to drink more, alone, as it was an attempt at coping with my shite depression riddled brain. A poor attempt mind, as it just made me feel horrendous and massively altered my thinking, especially when mixed with the Prozac I was taking each day (prescribed by my GP).

On the way home I was shitfaced and somehow got talking to some lassie. She was in a bit a state herself and had a bag with her. In said bag were needles and other paraphernalia. After asking her about it I somehow ended up agreeing to go halves with her on some heroin (I believe it was about £30 on my part) as I was thinking 'f**k it, why not?'.

I was feeling awful and having dark suicidal thoughts so considered it a way to relieve the pain.We then went to get it (a certain high rise at the bottom of a certain hill). Whilst she was inside (I waited outside the door) I somehow had a big moment of lucidity, and actually ran away. I literally sprinted out of there, a total mess of a guy. I slept fitfully for about 10 hours when I got in, constantly waking and drifting off, my brain in a horrible dark mush.

I lost £30 but it could have been so much worse. I wasn't choosing to be a junkie that night. I was a fucked up, desperate guy looking for a way to feel better. Massively stupid looking back, but to me shows how easy it can be to get caught up in some seriously bad shit.

Good on you, even though you were feeling as low as you were you definitely did the right thing. Take it as a positive. Good to see you posting again.

[ayrmad]

30 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Well after a day or two of decent debate, that escalated pretty quickly.

I always make it a rule to quit a thread when the usual "intellectual heavyweights" descend like the plague and turn the place into a chimps tea party.

Screeching and faeces flinging isn't really my thing.

So it's ok for you to cast aspersions in the direction of others without accepting any coming your way, that's the attitude that sees us hurtling ever faster in the wrong direction with regards to drugs.

[19QOS19]

 
I suggest you quit while you're behind because you clearly haven't any idea what you're talking about.  

Well after a day or two of decent debate, that escalated pretty quickly.
I always make it a rule to quit a thread when the usual "intellectual heavyweights" descend like the plague and turn the place into a chimps tea party.
Screeching and faeces flinging isn't really my thing.

At least you've taken in something.

[throbber]

I bet the junkie had a better night sleep than DA did that night though!

[throbber]

[emoji23] I'd take this with a large pinch of salt.

 

You referred to the posters late nephew as a feral junkie and implied that he had failed him as an uncle and was responsible for his drug addiction and subsequent death.

[Tibbermoresaint]

1 minute ago, throbber said:

 

You referred to the posters late nephew as a feral junkie and implied that he had failed him as an uncle and was responsible for his drug addiction and subsequent death.

Make it a large pinch of salt. 

[throbber]

Make it a large pinch of salt. 

You know fine well you said it and it wasn’t just me and moo who saw it and pulled you up for it and you then accused us of being sanctimonious. There’s a certain line that you cross when you go after someone like that on a forum and you were clearly trying to cause as much harm as possible on a personal level to someone you have never even met before. You are a c**t.

[Tibbermoresaint]

2 minutes ago, throbber said:

 

You know fine well you said it and it wasn’t just me and moo who saw it and pulled you up for it and you then accused us of being sanctimonious. There’s a certain line that you cross when you go after someone like that on a forum and you were clearly trying to cause as much harm as possible on a personal level to someone you have never even met before. You are a c**t.

 

If you wring your hands too long they'll wear out.

Maybe I should just have called him a c**t. You approve of that word.

[MONKMAN]

The last 15 pages make some reading.

[Ross.]

18 hours ago, MixuFixit said:

Being a nice member of society is indeed a choice. As is spending hours trolling P&B I guess.

Surprised anyone is still responding to him to be honest. The most obvious trolling I have seen on here since I last had a day at work that was too quiet.

17 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Not every victim does, but lots do. Those who don't present with different symptoms.

I get it from years of experience.

Helping the victims, as opposed to creating them I hope...

[topcat(The most tip top)]

11 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

I nearly bought heroin last year. I was in a bad way mentally and going through a particularly rough patch of depression. I had been at the football earlier, and whilst that was a good laugh, I was drunk by the time I got back to Dundee, alone. I proceeded to drink more, alone, as it was an attempt at coping with my shite depression riddled brain. A poor attempt mind, as it just made me feel horrendous and massively altered my thinking, especially when mixed with the Prozac I was taking each day (prescribed by my GP).

On the way home I was shitfaced and somehow got talking to some lassie. She was in a bit a state herself and had a bag with her. In said bag were needles and other paraphernalia. After asking her about it I somehow ended up agreeing to go halves with her on some heroin (I believe it was about £30 on my part) as I was thinking 'f**k it, why not?'.

I was feeling awful and having dark suicidal thoughts so considered it a way to relieve the pain.We then went to get it (a certain high rise at the bottom of a certain hill). Whilst she was inside (I waited outside the door) I somehow had a big moment of lucidity, and actually ran away. I literally sprinted out of there, a total mess of a guy. I slept fitfully for about 10 hours when I got in, constantly waking and drifting off, my brain in a horrible dark mush.

I lost £30 but it could have been so much worse. I wasn't choosing to be a junkie that night. I was a fucked up, desperate guy looking for a way to feel better. Massively stupid looking back, but to me shows how easy it can be to get caught up in some seriously bad shit.

The good thing about a forum like this is sometimes you read contributions from people who have genuine insight or specialist knowledge on a subject.

Thanks for sharing

It's stuff like this that makes it worth slogging through the rest of the thread

[Alert Mongoose]

On topic again I noticed that 'the Trainspotting generation' quoted as some of the 30/40ish drug users have died.  Is there an insinuation here that some people watched the film and were encouraged to take these drugs? 

[scottmcleanscontacts]

I know not the answers or solution to this massive problem in our society.
I can only venture to guess that often the bleak socioeconomic picture must play a part in these stats and the fact that there's not a particularly hard line taken by the justice system against low level dealers/users etc.
Looking at the stats from Romania are both staggering and not surprising in equal measure. On one hand it's a very poor country by European standards and thus you would expect a lot of drug use. The flipside is maybe availability too though as it's so poor, generally, that crime gangs probably know it would be a fruitless market?

[scottmcleanscontacts]

I nearly bought heroin last year. I was in a bad way mentally and going through a particularly rough patch of depression. I had been at the football earlier, and whilst that was a good laugh, I was drunk by the time I got back to Dundee, alone. I proceeded to drink more, alone, as it was an attempt at coping with my shite depression riddled brain. A poor attempt mind, as it just made me feel horrendous and massively altered my thinking, especially when mixed with the Prozac I was taking each day (prescribed by my GP).

On the way home I was shitfaced and somehow got talking to some lassie. She was in a bit a state herself and had a bag with her. In said bag were needles and other paraphernalia. After asking her about it I somehow ended up agreeing to go halves with her on some heroin (I believe it was about £30 on my part) as I was thinking 'f**k it, why not?'.

I was feeling awful and having dark suicidal thoughts so considered it a way to relieve the pain.We then went to get it (a certain high rise at the bottom of a certain hill). Whilst she was inside (I waited outside the door) I somehow had a big moment of lucidity, and actually ran away. I literally sprinted out of there, a total mess of a guy. I slept fitfully for about 10 hours when I got in, constantly waking and drifting off, my brain in a horrible dark mush.

I lost £30 but it could have been so much worse. I wasn't choosing to be a junkie that night. I was a fucked up, desperate guy looking for a way to feel better. Massively stupid looking back, but to me shows how easy it can be to get caught up in some seriously bad shit.

Only well done is needed here. Many of us will face horrible dark situations like this. Knowing to take the right path there might have saved your life. Well done, again.

[engelbert_humperdink]

3 hours ago, throbber said:

I bet the junkie had a better night sleep than DA did that night though!

true but atleast DA wouldnt be waking up rattling

[throbber]

DA - did you ever consider the well being of the woman who had twice as much heroin that night because of your agreement?

[ICTJohnboy]

24 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

I don't think so, trainspotting was describing a generation of people who already existed.

Interestingly Simon Jenkins of all people has come out in favour of devolving responsibility to Holyrood: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/19/scotland-drugs-problem-westminster-policy

 

Good article with some thought provoking points.

I liked the headline :

Scotland has a drugs problem – and it’s called Westminster

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

I know not the answers or solution to this massive problem in our society.
I can only venture to guess that often the bleak socioeconomic picture must play a part in these stats and the fact that there's not a particularly hard line taken by the justice system against low level dealers/users etc.
Looking at the stats from Romania are both staggering and not surprising in equal measure. On one hand it's a very poor country by European standards and thus you would expect a lot of drug use. The flipside is maybe availability too though as it's so poor, generally, that crime gangs probably know it would be a fruitless market?

The actual cost of smack is tiny, thats why even in poor countries like Philippines you get huge drug problems, drugs are more expensive here because of the extra transport costs and higher cost of living. Organised crime groups can make good money off drugs in any country.