Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Yeah for petty crime I could probably agree to the points you are making here. Especially if there is genuine reason to believe the person can change their behaviour immediately. For career criminals (those with more than x (x = perhaps 3) criminal convictions in their 20's) I'd be tempted to lock the key indefinitely until they can show they have changed. There has to be a limit. Anyway, as for drug users, I would legalise all of it. I don't think there is another way around it.3 convictions in 20’s isnt a career criminal. Ive encountered kids aged 15-19 with in excess of 90 previous or pending cases. 3 is a fucking angel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I can understand some level of resentment towards drug addicts. Many of them commit ridiculously selfish acts and have a negative impact upon our communities. To pretend they dont doesn't serve anyone.It's also true that there is an element of choice in being an addict - nobody forces you to take drugs and unlike other "illnesses" you have the capacity to rid yourself of it if you want it enough.However if you've a background of shit you want to blank out and no productive future to serve as a motivation then how easy is it to quit? To reduce addiction to a simple choice is utterly braindead though - why would anyone choose that life? You think that was their aspirations as kids? I'd have preferred Tibermoresaint's posts to have been kept up for everyone to see. I ain't losing sleep over him, if you put personal stuff on the net then you run the risk of faceless cowards using it against you. Theyd never dream of saying stuff like that to anyone face in real life.Hes not much different from the sad acts who hide behind anonymous Twitter accounts and post stuff to Sarah Payne or Paige Docherty's mum. If your human instinct when you hear of a 17 year old laddie dying is to mock and use it to feel superior then you cant think a lot of yourself as an individual. In reality you're probably carrying about the same levels of shame or self hatred that many drug addicts have, it just manifests itself in a different way. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcor Roar Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Does a safe and secure upbringing give someone an advantage in life over other unfortunate souls? Much more satisfying to ignore context altogether and act superior like a twat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I can understand some level of resentment towards drug addicts. Many of them commit ridiculously selfish acts and have a negative impact upon our communities. To pretend they dont doesn't serve anyone.It's also true that there is an element of choice in being an addict - nobody forces you to take drugs and unlike other "illnesses" you have the capacity to rid yourself of it if you want it enough.However if you've a background of shit you want to blank out and no productive future to serve as a motivation then how easy is it to quit? To reduce addiction to a simple choice is utterly braindead though - why would anyone choose that life? You think that was their aspirations as kids? I'd have preferred Tibermoresaint's posts to have been kept up for everyone to see. I ain't losing sleep over him, if you put personal stuff on the net then you run the risk of faceless cowards using it against you. Theyd never dream of saying stuff like that to anyone face in real life.Hes not much different from the sad acts who hide behind anonymous Twitter accounts and post stuff to Sarah Payne or Paige Docherty's mum. If your human instinct when you hear of a 17 year old laddie dying is to mock and use it to feel superior then you cant think a lot of yourself as an individual. In reality you're probably carrying about the same levels of shame or self hatred that many drug addicts have, it just manifests itself in a different way.Good post.I’m no expert on this, and wouldn’t pretend to be.My experiences with drugs are...I had the choice to start taking recreational drugs, I didn’t have a shit upbringing, I made the choice willingly, albeit with associated peer pressure.I really believe education & opportunity are key to this, if you don’t see a future then it’s so easy to keep getting into harder & harder stuff, I’ve taken class A’s & occasionally still do, but I’ve got the sense to see that Heroin is never going to end well & I don’t want to lose what I’ve achieved, however, if I’d just seen a pointless existence in front of me, I may very well have gone down that route.Education & opportunity is (in my opinion) the very heart of this blight & if we work towards preventing people seeing their life as never improving, we may come close to reducing these shocking figures. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: Good post. I’m no expert on this, and wouldn’t pretend to be. My experiences with drugs are... I had the choice to start taking recreational drugs, I didn’t have a shit upbringing, I made the choice willingly, albeit with associated peer pressure. I really believe education & opportunity are key to this, if you don’t see a future then it’s so easy to keep getting into harder & harder stuff, I’ve taken class A’s & occasionally still do, but I’ve got the sense to see that Heroin is never going to end well & I don’t want to lose what I’ve achieved, however, if I’d just seen a pointless existence in front of me, I may very well have gone down that route. Education & opportunity is (in my opinion) the very heart of this blight & if we work towards preventing people seeing their life as never improving, we may come close to reducing these shocking figures. I've occasionally taken class A's, including heroin, not for years though. Was always quite happy, sometimes relieved, to get back to normal again. I think most people who become addicts find normal life horrendous and they're desperate to escape again as soon as they come down. Then, especially with heroin, physical addiction kicks in and they're fucked. Not pretending to be an expert though. Edited July 17, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: I've occasionally taken class A's, including heroin, not for years though. Was always quite happy, sometimes relieved, to get back to normal life again. I think most people who become addicts find normal life horrendous and they're desperate to escape again as soon as they come down. Then, especially with heroin, physical addiction kicks in and they're fucked. Not pretending to be an expert though. Was it you that mugged TS? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Was it you that mugged TS? I will tell no lie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Was it you that mugged TS? Think you'll find it was Moonster who was mugged. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Not successfully. I asked if you'd been mugged, you answered as above. The success isn't really relevant. Is this reason for the zealous pursuit of your argument? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Think you'll find it was Moonster who was mugged. Him too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I asked if you'd been mugged, you answered as above. The success isn't really relevant. Is this reason for the zealous pursuit of your argument? No, I've always despised junkies and the damage they do to society. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Tibbermore's mum lost 3 years of her life to the heroine and then another 5 years on the methadone that was meant to get her off it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Tibbermore's mum lost 3 years of her life to the heroine and then another 5 years on the methadone that was meant to get her off it What has she taken to get through the rest of her time with TBS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Tibbermore's mum lost 3 years of her life to the heroine and then another 5 years on the methadone that was meant to get her off it no one knows marti pellow like she does 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnHearts Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Dindeleux said: My jaw was like his by the end of the night. Because you were giving someone a blowjob. Edited July 17, 2019 by LincolnHearts -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnHearts Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 23 hours ago, Dindeleux said: Me and a mate rattled enough mdma one night about a year ago that I'm surprised we weren't part of these statistics to be honest. Came from Estonia, the internet is a wonderful thing. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, LincolnHearts said: Because you were giving someone a blowjob. Oh dear. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, LincolnHearts said: We will add “young man takes recreational drugs” to “young man owns a house and a flat” to the things Lincoln Hearts can’t believe list. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnHearts Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, Dindeleux said: We will add “young man takes recreational drugs” to “young man owns a house and a flat” to the things Lincoln Hearts can’t believe list. Nae bother Jay. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, LincolnHearts said: Nae bother Jay. You must’ve had a sad skint life. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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