Guest Jedi Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Poor deflection. Answer the point. I have given numerous replies on Labour's immigration policy, and also said at points I don't agree with it. I have not yet seen any points/responses (from folk who ask for/castigate anything proposed by Labour) to any of: The Growth Commission The SNP's corporate relationships The Building a New Scotland Papers How the control of interest rates by the B of E is actually Independence How they see a plethora of parties taking shape in an iScotland (which aren't the SNP) Rather than answer the point, it's what is the point Edited October 24, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, Jedi said: I have given numerous replies on Labour's immigration policy, and also said at points I don't agree with it. I have not yet seen any points/responses (from folk who ask for/castigate anything proposed by Labour) to any of: The Growth Commission The SNP's corporate relationships The Building a New Scotland Papers How the control of interest rates by the B of E is actually Independence How they see a plethora of parties taking shape in an iScotland (which aren't the SNP) Rather than answer the point, it's what is the point You can’t answer, fair enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 32 minutes ago, Jedi said: I have given numerous replies on Labour's immigration policy, and also said at points I don't agree with it. I have not yet seen any points/responses (from folk who ask for/castigate anything proposed by Labour) to any of: The Growth Commission The SNP's corporate relationships The Building a New Scotland Papers How the control of interest rates by the B of E is actually Independence How they see a plethora of parties taking shape in an iScotland (which aren't the SNP) Rather than answer the point, it's what is the point Yes you did but they were nonsense as the crux of the argument is that you cannot put a rizla between the tories and labour on immigration. You refute this and yet the leader of the Labour party agress. So which is it? Is Keir right to say the British Labour party and the Consertvative and Unionist party almost idenitcal when it comes to immigration? or Are you right and Keir either doesn't know his own policy position as well as you or is just bullshitting for effect and to gain the votes of racsts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 38 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: You can’t answer, fair enough. Any answers on any of the other questions? No? Also, fair enough. So, in one policy area (immigration) Labour appears to be heading in a Tory direction, therefore they are the same/indistinguishable from the Tories.=critical thinking Meanwhile the SNP propose a term of austerity as do the Tories, but this= completely different from the Tories. Again=critical thinking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 32 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Yes you did but they were nonsense as the crux of the argument is that you cannot put a rizla between the tories and labour on immigration. You refute this and yet the leader of the Labour party agress. So which is it? Is Keir right to say the British Labour party and the Consertvative and Unionist party almost idenitcal when it comes to immigration? or Are you right and Keir either doesn't know his own policy position as well as you or is just bullshitting for effect and to gain the votes of racsts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jedi said: Any answers on any of the other questions? No? Also, fair enough. So, in one policy area (immigration) Labour appears to be heading in a Tory direction, therefore they are the same/indistinguishable from the Tories.=critical thinking Meanwhile the SNP propose a term of austerity as do the Tories, but this= completely different from the Tories. Again=critical thinking. Whataboutery is Stormzy levels of desperation but if you must, ask those questions on the appropriate threads. This thread is about labour and the question de jour is their disgusting pandering to horrible racists. Comprende? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Jedi said: Meanwhile the SNP propose a term of austerity as do the Tories, but this= completely different from the Tories. Again=critical thinking. I'm genuinely not sure what your point is? The vast majority of Scotland's budget is Westminster derived indeed they only give us an estimation of income tax receipts and adjust it later, if the Tories say austerity then the SNP or any Scottish government pretty much have to follow suit and even still spend a ridiculous % of their budget making Scotland not as shit as England. Bedroom tax is the obvious example but it's been mitigated for so long that I think people forget how fucking dreadful a policy it was and what it must be doing to the very poorest in England and Wales at these times. Naturally if I were a Labour supporter, there is no chance in hell I would want to remain in a political union (lol) with the most successful political party in western democracies whos political ideals were or at least should be at odds with Labour values. I would instead look at a small, progressive country with extraordinary resources and a strong left/ center left stance and think, that's the country for me. Chaining yourself to your arch enemy with occasional chances to undo a tiny bit of their horrific policies seems completely mad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, Clown Job said: My only take from that is there’s an MP called Hardcok. I’d like to design her election posters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: My only take from that is there’s an MP called Hardcok. I’d like to design her election posters. I'm sure the good people of "Lickey End and Felterup" will have given her a hand with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Seriously? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Seriously? The only funny thing about the Tories winning the next election would be the excuses of the Starmer apologists. Even then it wouldn’t be particularly funny. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: The only funny thing about the Tories winning the next election would be the excuses of the Starmer apologists. Even then it wouldn’t be particularly funny. Corbyn, Momentum, and the Winter of Discontent put another generation off voting Labour. Not a single thing Keef could do about it. Even his grovelling election night apology for Labour's past connections with disgraced socialists like Kier Hardie couldn't stop the Conservative landslide. Time to consider folding the party for the sake of national unity. It's what the Great British Public want. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambieBud Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 26/10/2022 at 18:35, BFTD said: Corbyn, Momentum, and the Winter of Discontent put another generation off voting Labour. Not a single thing Keef could do about it. Even his grovelling election night apology for Labour's past connections with disgraced socialists like Kier Hardie couldn't stop the Conservative landslide. Time to consider folding the party for the sake of national unity. It's what the Great British Public want. As the thread title says ‘what is the point of Labour’? Sunak will probably bring in a windfall tax next month on oil, gas companies. What does that leave Sir Manofthepeople? He has made his party pro Brexit, anti immigration and anti democracy in Scotland/Wales. What does Labour actually stand for these days? Struggling to see why the huge numbers of young pro Europe voters, who put their crosses next to Labour at the last 2 General Elections, would do so now, despite the polls 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Sunak will tax his own compadres in the big energy business? Don't think so. Standing for a Green New Deal...(seem to have heard the SNP talk about that rather a lot in the recent Scotland's future paper funnily enough), now that the Tories have given up on any pretence of net zero, (Sunak doesn't even need to go to Cop 27). Cracking down on big business tax avoidance, and in the process raking in a lot of extra money for the treasury (again, something the Tories are keen to avoid, (the clamping down on offshore tax havens part). Raising the minimum wage to a much more acceptable level. Improving tenants rights Proper funding of the NHS (and a National Care Service) and education Nationalising rail We still don't know what 'Make Brexit Work' means, at the moment its just a phrase....could well be a push to rejoin the Customs Union. Not much 'point' to a party consistently holding a poll lead of around 30% though.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, Jedi said: We still don't know what 'Make Brexit Work' means, at the moment its just a phrase....could well be a push to rejoin the Customs Union. A fair number of us don’t give a red f**k what it means, even if Labour do deign to ever tell us. I have no interest in forcing a backwards, regressive, harmful, visibly damaging, unrewarding move to “work”. https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/time-for-labour-to-drop-its-make-brexit-work-slogan-and-start-being-honest-yorkshire-post-letters-3877923 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Have the SNP answered when they will be back in the EU yet? But on the other hand, Labour need to have a fleshed out European plan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jedi said: Have the SNP answered when they will be back in the EU yet? But on the other hand, Labour need to have a fleshed out European plan. Didn’t think this would come in useful again quite so soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 And yet the concept of irony bypass with any questioning of the SNP met by 'but....but.....Labour.....but Brexit.....but......immigration' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jedi said: Have the SNP answered when they will be back in the EU yet? But on the other hand, Labour need to have a fleshed out European plan. That is quite the most fatuous offering I have read on here for quite some time. If labour were unequivocal we most probably wouldn't be out in the first place. From there labour lost it. If you want to retain credibility, you don't pander to racists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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