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3 hours ago, 101 said:

This MP clearly doesn't have the faintest idea about Scotland. Not only has the conference speech not been yet the comments weren't made to a party conference. Why take on that interview and question if you don't have any knowledge about the subject.

Also we all know that you can only focus on one thing at a time and definitely can't focus on a wide range of issues.

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13 hours ago, 101 said:

This MP clearly doesn't have the faintest idea about Scotland. Not only has the conference speech not been yet the comments weren't made to a party conference. Why take on that interview and question if you don't have any knowledge about the subject.

There is a broken health care system and child poverty in Wales.

I wonder who's been in charge there....

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There has been a purge of many on the left of the party down south. Sir Man of The People  appears to want a party of yes men and lobby fodder. It makes me wonder who anyone with mild socialist views and principles can vote for down south. I know the polls show Labour miles in front in the polls but I suspect that this might work against them in practice. People who might have held their noses and voted may not bother if it seems it’s a shoe in.

I would probably vote Labour if I lived down south but with little enthusiasm. I suspect many others feel the same

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6 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

That's just ridiculous.

Symptomatic of the drift right by Labour under Starmer.

It's a further endorsement of the view down south that to win a GE Labour must follow each lurch rightwards by the Tories with one of their own - can the current Starmer iteration of the party even be considered left-of-centre?

Such a gamble with two years to go till the next GE (prob'ly), the right wing press will have those two years to print an agenda which blames our woes on EU intransigence over Brexit, Covid and the Ukraine War and mid-term poll leads can melt away.  

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3 hours ago, btb said:

I note Sam Tarry who was sacked from the Shadow Cabinet after attending an RMT picket line in July has been deselected as Labour candidate for Ilford South.

I said this when he joined the picket line. He was doing that to get publicity as he knew he was facing deselection. He thought he could shore up enough support by getting sacked to ensure he kept his seat.

Nothing to do with a rightward drift as @DeeTillEhDeh suggests. How he got selected in 2019 was all a bit underhanded and now this has been put right.

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36 minutes ago, btb said:

It's a further endorsement of the view down south that to win a GE Labour must follow each lurch rightwards by the Tories with one of their own - can the current Starmer iteration of the party even be considered left-of-centre?

Such a gamble with two years to go till the next GE (prob'ly), the right wing press will have those two years to print an agenda which blames our woes on EU intransigence over Brexit, Covid and the Ukraine War and mid-term poll leads can melt away.  

Jas Athwal, who won this battle, is the leader of the local Ilford council and was endorsed by the trade unions Unison, Usdaw and Community. He's not some right-wing stooge parachuted in to a safe seat as happened in the 90s with Shaun Woodward.

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49 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

I said this when he joined the picket line. He was doing that to get publicity as he knew he was facing deselection. He thought he could shore up enough support by getting sacked to ensure he kept his seat.

Nothing to do with a rightward drift as @DeeTillEhDeh suggests. How he got selected in 2019 was all a bit underhanded and now this has been put

right.

 

13 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Jas Athwal, who won this battle, is the leader of the local Ilford council and was endorsed by the trade unions Unison, Usdaw and Community. He's not some right-wing stooge parachuted in to a safe seat as happened in the 90s with Shaun Woodward.

I find your interpretations bizarre and note that accusations of skullduggery go both ways in this battle.

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I said this when he joined the picket line. He was doing that to get publicity as he knew he was facing deselection. He thought he could shore up enough support by getting sacked to ensure he kept his seat.
Nothing to do with a rightward drift as [mention=22650]DeeTillEhDeh[/mention] suggests. How he got selected in 2019 was all a bit underhanded and now this has been put right.
The sacking from the shadow cabinet definitely is a rightwards draft no matter how you paint it.

The threats against Labour MPs supporting legitimate strike action is an absolute anathema to the founding principles of the Labour Party.

If they are not prepared to support the rights of workers then why should we believe anything else they say?
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Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:

The sacking from the shadow cabinet definitely is a rightwards draft no matter how you paint it.

The threats against Labour MPs supporting supporting legitimate strike action is an absolute anathema to the founding principles of the Labour Party.

If they are not prepared to support the rights of workers then why should we believe anything else they say?

Aye agreed but knowingly going on a picket line against the leaders direction and then making up policy on the hoof for the cameras is begging to be sacked.  Which is what he wanted. The skullduggery does indeed go both ways. 

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2 hours ago, scottsdad said:

Jas Athwal, who won this battle, is the leader of the local Ilford council and was endorsed by the trade unions Unison, Usdaw and Community. He's not some right-wing stooge parachuted in to a safe seat as happened in the 90s with Shaun Woodward.

Agree about the parachuting bit, not so sure about the right wing stooge bit.

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