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You know we can vote out the SNP pretty easily in Scotland and with the way the Scottish Parliament is designed any single party getting a majority is very difficult

Whereas in Westminster all you need to do is win England to control the UK, you don’t need the Scots, Welsh or NI to back you for power 

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Interesting stuff coming out from Sarwar.

He bangs on about the politics of us versus them and the politics of division when discussing the SNP, apparently ignoring the pretty obvious point that he is indulging in exactly the same approach to the decades old politics of right v left, boss v worker and public v private sector so beloved of Labour and the Tories. 

Unless of course he is in some way suggesting that in his view Labour aren't fundamentally opposed to the Tories - no us versus them and no politics of division for him - and you can't slip a piece of paper between the Labour and Tory parties and their attitudes to Scotland. No, surely not. 

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3 hours ago, Terry_Tibbs said:

How did the SNP pay for those pledges? With stealth cuts. They literally cut funds for tutoring sick kids in Yorkhill Children's Hospital. Don't ask me for a link to an article. I only had a close family member in there and the staff told me directly. 

Lies then. Cool.

Off you pop. 

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The important point to remember is that on Radio 4 yesterday, Anas Sarwar launched a righteous attack on the "lying, cheating, stealing, corrupt and incompetent"  Conservatives, who his party is in coalition with, then reaffirmed the Labour pledge to never ever work with the SNP under any circumstances. Of course Chris Mason had neither the gumption, knowledge or more correctly the editorial direction to question this glaring contradiction.

Anas then went on to demand that in the event of Labour not winning an outright majority the SNP would have no choice but to support them, with no concessions in particular nothing on indyref.

So, louder and in simple terms for remnants of the Labour Party at the back:  "It is not the job of the Scottish electorate or those they elect to represent them, to deliver England a Labour government it did not vote for and that directly opposes and obstructs the needs, wants and aspirations of the Scottish electorate which they have endorsed and demanded multiple times in successive elections."

Should post the next GE the electoral arithmetic means that the SNP hold the keys to no.10 and Keith maintains his current position of "f**k you, back me or f**k off" I'd hope and expect the SNP Westminster group to spend their time drinking on the terrace, playing pool and patiently waiting for them to change their mind and respect democracy or scuttle back to the opposition benches. Probably forever. 

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3 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

The important point to remember is that on Radio 4 yesterday, Anas Sarwar launched a righteous attack on the "lying, cheating, stealing, corrupt and incompetent"  Conservatives, who his party is in coalition with, then reaffirmed the Labour pledge to never ever work with the SNP under any circumstances. Of course Chris Mason had neither the gumption, knowledge or more correctly the editorial direction to question this glaring contradiction.

Anas then went on to demand that in the event of Labour not winning an outright majority the SNP would have no choice but to support them, with no concessions in particular nothing on indyref.

So, louder and in simple terms for remnants of the Labour Party at the back:  "It is not the job of the Scottish electorate or those they elect to represent them, to deliver England a Labour government it did not vote for and that directly opposes and obstructs the needs, wants and aspirations of the Scottish electorate which they have endorsed and demanded multiple times in successive elections."

Should post the next GE the electoral arithmetic means that the SNP hold the keys to no.10 and Keith maintains his current position of "f**k you, back me or f**k off" I'd hope and expect the SNP Westminster group to spend their time drinking on the terrace, playing pool and patiently waiting for them to change their mind and respect democracy or scuttle back to the opposition benches. Probably forever. 

If the SNP hold the balance of power they have to take the stance you suggest otherwise they will be finished; and rightly so.

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40 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Interesting stuff coming out from Sarwar.

He bangs on about the politics of us versus them and the politics of division when discussing the SNP, apparently ignoring the pretty obvious point that he is indulging in exactly the same approach to the decades old politics of right v left, boss v worker and public v private sector so beloved of Labour and the Tories. 

Unless of course he is in some way suggesting that in his view Labour aren't fundamentally opposed to the Tories - no us versus them and no politics of division for him - and you can't slip a piece of paper between the Labour and Tory parties and their attitudes to Scotland. No, surely not. 

us v them and division - pitting family member against family member - only applies when discussing changes to the constitution. 

Much in the same way that Scottish self determination is toxic nationalism whereas putting the UK and the union in front of everything else is healthy patriotism. 

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12 hours ago, Jedi said:

You asked for sources...so not sure how that is simply 'cutting and pasting'. Of course, £5 billion energy profits (for the companies) will be over a period of time, nobody has suggested otherwise (the last source which you didn't reach references this). Every report...(these are just a selection) there are many more refers to the Scottish govt paying £700 million of public money to the energy giants, to grant them the wind farm projects off the north coast. I assume that you are comfortable with BP, Shell et al, making profits from such ventures, with that money not being re-invested into the Scottish economy. What is the point of the Scottish Investment Bank much trumpeted by the govt, if not to ensure that publically owned companies get the tender and start ups for such large projects rather than multinationals?

Do you need references for Andrew Wilson's Growth Commission Report or have you read that?

I read those articles. The last one is paywalled and is the only reference to the government losing bns. Care to shate that content? 

The rest talk about £700m being paid to the government, not by it, so you'll understand if i don't want to take your word as gospel. 

 

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14 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

I think you're right. A thousand pardons sir. 

No problem.

The polls just now suggest a healthy majority for Labour next time around but two years is a long time in politics and the SNP holding the balance of power is still a very possible scenario.

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14 hours ago, Jedi said:

So, given that you helped to negotiate the deal, can you list the public stakeholders in the project?

Haha....I absolutely never said I negotiated the deal. The licences were only awarded in January and these ScotWind windfarms are likely to be in the water from 2028 onwards hopefully.  No public stakeholders on the specific TOTAL Energies projects but huge opprotunities for the supply chain both on mainland Scotland and at Flota, Orkney where they plan to produce hydrogen from the electricity generated from their West of Orkney site.

 

You still believe the Scottish Government are payin £700m for the ScotWind licences?  If so maybe best to take yourself away from this discussion as you clearly do not understand it.

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5 hours ago, Clown Job said:

 

Shite like this is why Labour do so badly in Scotland these days. The arrogant, sneering, moronic contempt they hold the Scottish people and electorate in is evident in everything they say and do.

This scumbag has just written off at least half of the voting population, probably more (as not every no voter despises democracy like Labour).

I hope the democracy denying c**t Labour party die. Useless, Tory lite arseholes.

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25 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

 

GIF by Giphy QA

 

More arrogance and just contempt for Scottish people from Labour. The SNP for some reason have annihilated the brains of Labour, and they seem constantly furiois at Scotland that we just won't roll over and do what they want.

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