Granny Danger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Starmer is a huge Tory. Labour are Tory lite cowards who stand for nothing. Absolute fucking filth, total scum party full of braindead arseholes. Utterly unelectable. Even if they somehow win the next general election, so what? What will actually change? Nothing. I absolutely abhor them. Any time I see folk saying they wish they could vote for them, I think that person is an idiot. Labour as a concept are dead, and have been for a long time. I agree with most of that, particularly about Starmer, but I think there are still many ordinary Labour Party members who are left of centre. Particularly in England where there is no perceived practical alternative. I am just astounded that there is not more push back from these people. Probably being morally blackmailed into keeping quiet so not to “help the Tories”. As a result Starmer is moving Labour further and further to the right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 54 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I am just astounded that there is not more push back from these people. Probably being morally blackmailed into keeping quiet so not to “help the Tories”. As a result Starmer is moving Labour further and further to the right. Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky_nomad Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 15 hours ago, dirty dingus said: He even has the built in look ridiculous Tory stance. Fucking charlatan. Not sure Tim Burgess suits those boots tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, scottsdad said: They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. I hope you're not being serious with that take. If not, it's certainly a cunning plan Baldrick would be proud of. There is absolutely nothing remotely left wing lurking in the current Labour party. They are drifting further to the right with every pronouncement Starmer makes. I'm afraid the Labour party as a party of the "working man" and having left wing policy is long gone. I can see the same thing happening to the Labour main branch as happened here - becoming a total irrelevance. Sad state of affairs but unless there is a concerted campaign by any who still have left wing credentials and stand up against this further drift to the right, they're no more than Tory apologists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 With Truss looking set to become the next PM, and the total ineptitude of Starmer's Labour Party, we are fortunate in Scotland to have an alternative to these useless incompetents. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: I agree with most of that, particularly about Starmer, but I think there are still many ordinary Labour Party members who are left of centre. Particularly in England where there is no perceived practical alternative. I am just astounded that there is not more push back from these people. Probably being morally blackmailed into keeping quiet so not to “help the Tories”. As a result Starmer is moving Labour further and further to the right. No idea why anyone left of centre would choose to affiliate themselves with Labout any longer. Thay haven't been a party that represents such people for a long time. 40 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. You can't actually believe such nonsense? Also, how are they making people believe they'll be a competent government? What's the relationship there between hiding 'left wing stuff' and competent governance? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, DA Baracus said: No idea why anyone left of centre would choose to affiliate themselves with Labout any longer. Thay haven't been a party that represents such people for a long time. You can't actually believe such nonsense? Also, how are they making people believe they'll be a competent government? What's the relationship there between hiding 'left wing stuff' and competent governance? It's about what gets them elected. In England, they need to talk like right wingers to get in, then govern like left wingers. The SNP do the opposite here - they sound left wing to get elected but don't govern as socialists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Granny Danger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. The problem with that is many on the left lose hope and don't bother voting. Labour need a galvanising message rather than just Tory lite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 They don’t want to be seen upsetting the Daily Mail readers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Clown Job said: They don’t want to be seen upsetting the Daily Mail readers Ben (please give me a job when you become PM Keir) Bradshaw. Another Labour careerist with impeccable non-working class credentials. Edited July 28, 2022 by Granny Danger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I see the Labour left have emerged to attack Starmer. John McDonnell in the Guardian... Quote But the clique of advisers that now surrounds Keir Starmer and appears to control the party seems drunk on its own power and to have lost all appreciation of the party’s traditions of mutual respect and solidarity. Not to mention that age-old Labour tradition of losing elections. Shame they don't enjoy attacking the Tories with the same vim and vigour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, scottsdad said: I see the Labour left have emerged to attack Starmer. John McDonnell in the Guardian... Not to mention that age-old Labour tradition of losing elections. Shame they don't enjoy attacking the Tories with the same vim and vigour. The Tory goal is just too wide and too open for Labour not to take a massive run up and boot the ball directly into their own face. That bit in bold applies to both the leadership and the lefty Corbyn types. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: The Tory goal is just too wide and too open for Labour not to take a massive run up and boot the ball directly into their own face. That bit in bold applies to both the leadership and the lefty Corbyn types. No argument from me. When Corbyn was in charge a big chunk of the PLP attacked him far more than they did the Tories. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. Blair only did it in his first term as they were manifesto relics from John Smith's leadership. After Labour's first term they were anything but radical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, williemillersmoustache said: The Tory goal is just too wide and too open for Labour not to take a massive run up and boot the ball directly into their own face. That bit in bold applies to both the leadership and the lefty Corbyn types. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: I see the Labour left have emerged to attack Starmer. John McDonnell in the Guardian... Not to mention that age-old Labour tradition of losing elections. Shame they don't enjoy attacking the Tories with the same vim and vigour. Why would they? They work in partnership with them up here and actually sack folk for refusing to join the love in. Both anti-democratic Little Englander gammon shit shows. We know it and the Scousers know it, just need the rest to give their heads a wobble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 As someone who hasn't voted Labour since 1987, and will never do so again, I didn't think that my opinion of them could get any less favourable, but it just has! https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jul/27/starmer-calls-for-a-bank-holiday-if-england-win-womens-euro-2022-final 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Sturgeon should declare a Scottish Bank Holiday if Germany win, just for the lulz 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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