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27 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Starmer is a huge Tory. Labour are Tory lite cowards who stand for nothing. Absolute fucking filth, total scum party full of braindead arseholes. 

Utterly unelectable. Even if they somehow win the next general election, so what? What will actually change? Nothing.

I absolutely abhor them. Any time I see folk saying they wish they could vote for them, I think that person is an idiot. Labour as a concept are dead, and have been for a long time.

I agree with most of that, particularly about Starmer, but I think there are still many ordinary Labour Party members who are left of centre.  Particularly in England where there is no perceived practical alternative.

I am just astounded that there is not more push back from these people. Probably being morally blackmailed into keeping quiet so not to “help the Tories”.  As a result Starmer is moving Labour further and further to the right.

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54 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I am just astounded that there is not more push back from these people. Probably being morally blackmailed into keeping quiet so not to “help the Tories”.  As a result Starmer is moving Labour further and further to the right.

Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. 

Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. 

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9 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. 

I hope you're not being serious with that take. If not, it's certainly a cunning plan Baldrick would be proud of. There is absolutely nothing remotely left wing lurking in the current Labour party. They are drifting further to the right with every pronouncement Starmer makes. I'm afraid the Labour party as a party of the "working man" and having left wing policy is long gone. I can see the same thing happening to the Labour main branch as happened here - becoming a total irrelevance. Sad state of affairs but unless there is a concerted campaign by any who still have left wing credentials and stand up against this further drift to the right, they're no more than Tory apologists.

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1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

I agree with most of that, particularly about Starmer, but I think there are still many ordinary Labour Party members who are left of centre.  Particularly in England where there is no perceived practical alternative.

I am just astounded that there is not more push back from these people. Probably being morally blackmailed into keeping quiet so not to “help the Tories”.  As a result Starmer is moving Labour further and further to the right.

No idea why anyone left of centre would choose to affiliate themselves with Labout any longer. Thay haven't been a party that represents such people for a long time.

40 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. 

Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. 

You can't actually believe such nonsense? Also, how are they making people believe they'll be a competent government? What's the relationship there between hiding 'left wing stuff' and competent governance?

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Just now, DA Baracus said:

No idea why anyone left of centre would choose to affiliate themselves with Labout any longer. Thay haven't been a party that represents such people for a long time.

You can't actually believe such nonsense? Also, how are they making people believe they'll be a competent government? What's the relationship there between hiding 'left wing stuff' and competent governance?

It's about what gets them elected. In England, they need to talk like right wingers to get in, then govern like left wingers. 

The SNP do the opposite here - they sound left wing to get elected but don't govern as socialists. 

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1 hour ago, scottsdad said:

Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. 

Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. 

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1 hour ago, scottsdad said:

Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. 

Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. 

The problem with that is many on the left lose hope and don't bother voting. Labour need a galvanising message rather than just Tory lite. 

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2 hours ago, Clown Job said:

They don’t want to be seen upsetting the Daily Mail readers 

Ben (please give me a job when you become PM Keir) Bradshaw.

Another Labour careerist with impeccable non-working class credentials.

 

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I see the Labour left have emerged to attack Starmer. John McDonnell in the Guardian...

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But the clique of advisers that now surrounds Keir Starmer and appears to control the party seems drunk on its own power and to have lost all appreciation of the party’s traditions of mutual respect and solidarity.

Not to mention that age-old Labour tradition of losing elections. 

Shame they don't enjoy attacking the Tories with the same vim and vigour. 

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4 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

I see the Labour left have emerged to attack Starmer. John McDonnell in the Guardian...

Not to mention that age-old Labour tradition of losing elections. 

Shame they don't enjoy attacking the Tories with the same vim and vigour. 

The Tory goal is just too wide and too open for Labour not to take a massive run up and boot the ball directly into their own face. 

That bit in bold applies to both the leadership and the lefty Corbyn types. 

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4 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

The Tory goal is just too wide and too open for Labour not to take a massive run up and boot the ball directly into their own face. 

That bit in bold applies to both the leadership and the lefty Corbyn types. 

No argument from me. When Corbyn was in charge a big chunk of the PLP attacked him far more than they did the Tories. 

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Labour have to be stealthy to get elected. They have to make people believe they are a competent government in waiting. When in power they can then push through left wing stuff. 
Blair did this (much as y'all hate the guy) - he had loads of left wing stuff he brought in but he didn't shout about them ahead of elections. 
Blair only did it in his first term as they were manifesto relics from John Smith's leadership. After Labour's first term they were anything but radical.
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1 hour ago, williemillersmoustache said:

The Tory goal is just too wide and too open for Labour not to take a massive run up and boot the ball directly into their own face. 

That bit in bold applies to both the leadership and the lefty Corbyn types. 

 

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1 hour ago, scottsdad said:

I see the Labour left have emerged to attack Starmer. John McDonnell in the Guardian...

Not to mention that age-old Labour tradition of losing elections. 

Shame they don't enjoy attacking the Tories with the same vim and vigour. 

Why would they? They work in partnership with them up here and actually sack folk for refusing to join the love in. Both anti-democratic Little Englander gammon shit shows. We know it and the Scousers know it, just need the rest to give their heads a wobble.

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