BigDoddyKane Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) Corbyn was too boring, he couldnt hold anyones attention long enough to get his point across. On another point about Labour and another good reason for independence https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/21/great-english-city-sold-abu-dhabis-elite-manchester Not that I expect Scottish politics to be any less corrupt within 20 years but at least we would be starting from a cleaner slate and we have the chance of creating a fairer society, unlike now Edited July 22, 2022 by BigDoddyKane 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Listening to Wes Streeting on LBC standing in for James O'Brien this morning, talking to a caller about Brexit, he ventured to suggest, as an aside, there should not be another refendum on Scottish Independence bringing up all the usual crap about a 300 year old union, now is not the time, we've already had one, etc, etc, etc. He then said, "Oh dear, now the phone lines are going mad with callers from Scotland, and I'll address these shortly: How many did he address? Not a single solitary one! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Just now, ICTJohnboy said: Listening to Wes Streeting on LBC standing in for James O'Brien this morning, talking to a caller about Brexit, he ventured to suggest, as an aside, there should not be another refendum on Scottish Independence bringing up all the usual crap about a 300 year old union, now is not the time, we've already had one, etc, etc, etc. He then said, "Oh dear, now the phone lines are going mad with callers from Scotland, and I'll address these shortly: How many did he address? Not a single solitary one! Surprising. The Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart podcast has Starmer on it this week. He came over and spoke quite well, but was horribly slipperly and evasive on brexit and indy and when asked about policies he just kept repeating "the economy" over and over again. Its all relative of course and he's aeons ahead of either of the Tory options. But there's just no substance to him. Good chance he'll pull a classic Labour move of losing the next ge despite all of the many, many advantages the Tories have gifted to him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 37 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Surprising. The Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart podcast has Starmer on it this week. He came over and spoke quite well, but was horribly slipperly and evasive on brexit and indy and when asked about policies he just kept repeating "the economy" over and over again. Its all relative of course and he's aeons ahead of either of the Tory options. But there's just no substance to him. Good chance he'll pull a classic Labour move of losing the next ge despite all of the many, many advantages the Tories have gifted to him. Remember Joh Smith talking about devolution being the "settled will" of the Scottish people. Well, the status quo - out of the EU and no more indyref - is the settled will of the English people, and anyone trying to be the UK prime minister needs to pander to this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Remember Joh Smith talking about devolution being the "settled will" of the Scottish people. Well, the status quo - out of the EU and no more indyref - is the settled will of the English people, and anyone trying to be the UK prime minister needs to pander to this. This is undoubtedly true but I found his policy stuff, not just on brexit and indy, so vacuous I think he's in serious danger of turning folk off. The blue rinses and racists, will vote, the GTTO Labour crowd will vote but will a bland as f**k and anodyne "we'll do the same but more betterly" message get the less engaged off their arsed and to the polling booth? I don't think so and he'll need them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Remember Joh Smith talking about devolution being the "settled will" of the Scottish people. Well, the status quo - out of the EU and no more indyref - is the settled will of the English people, and anyone trying to be the UK prime minister needs to pander to this. And then of course, there was George Robertson declaring that devolution would kill Scottish Nationalism stone dead. Robertson, the guy who's mouth, appropriately enough, bore a striking resemblance to an arsehole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Just now, williemillersmoustache said: This is undoubtedly true but I found his policy stuff, not just on brexit and indy, so vacuous I think he's in serious danger of turning folk off. The blue rinses and racists, will vote, the GTTO Labour crowd will vote but will a bland as f**k and anodyne "we'll do the same but more betterly" message get the less engaged off their arsed and to the polling booth? I don't think so and he'll need them. I think labour are still a bit scared of pushing radical policies - they don't want anyone accusing them of being Corbynite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 minute ago, scottsdad said: I think labour are still a bit scared of pushing radical policies - they don't want anyone accusing them of being Corbynite. Now adopting a policy of not having any policies! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, scottsdad said: I think labour are still a bit scared of pushing radical policies - they don't want anyone accusing them of being Corbynite. Again I think that's true, but: “You must stand up for what you believe, but first of all, by God, believe in something,” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Again I think that's true, but: “You must stand up for what you believe, but first of all, by God, believe in something,” True. And this is Labour's weakness. One think we know from the Truss/Sunak battle is that we know what they are for (low takes, small state) even if they are hopeless and cannot achieve it. The SNP are for independence. Greens are for lentils and bamboo pants. Liberals are for rejoining the EU. Labour have no easy line to hang themselves on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: And then of course, there was George Robertson declaring that devolution would kill Scottish Nationalism stone dead. Robertson, the guy who's mouth, appropriately enough, bore a striking resemblance to an arsehole. I would love to hear what he thinks of that quote now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Heard a wee bit of Streeting on LBC basically revelling in the fact he opposed Corbyn and wouldn't sit in his shadow cabinet and had forgiven Starmer for sitting in it. What a fud. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 They’re terrified to admit Brexit is a disaster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Clown Job said: They’re terrified to admit Brexit is a disaster Brexit is great and labour will make it work is what they have all been peddling in recent interviews and that includes the north British branch 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Clown Job said: They’re terrified to admit Brexit is a disaster Divisive separatists! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 6 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said: Surprising. The Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart podcast has Starmer on it this week. He came over and spoke quite well, but was horribly slipperly and evasive on brexit and indy and when asked about policies he just kept repeating "the economy" over and over again. Its all relative of course and he's aeons ahead of either of the Tory options. But there's just no substance to him. Good chance he'll pull a classic Labour move of losing the next ge despite all of the many, many advantages the Tories have gifted to him. I listened to that and have to admit I was a bit underwhelmed by Starmer. I didn’t hear anything from him that would make me want to vote Labour apart from the fact that the other option(UK wise) is much worse. They also talked about another Indy Ref on their most recent Podcast and more or less dismissed it saying that very few in Scotland actually wanted one totally disregarding the fact it was in the SNP manifesto and the Tories only message prior to the election was to vote for them in order to stop a referendum! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Of course if you should ask him if Scotland should become independent….. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 "Scottish Labour leader told to follow Mark Drakeford in backing independence referendum" https://nation.cymru/news/scottish-labour-leader-told-to-follow-mark-drakeford-in-backing-independence-referendum/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 On 19/07/2022 at 18:44, Clown Job said: “Labour's left and right wings both treated the issue of anti-Semitism as a "factional weapon" when Jeremy Corbyn was leader, a report says.“ Labour shouldn’t have a right wing Quite a decent expansion on this point. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/forde-report-jeremy-corbyn-keir-starmer-b2130074.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 15 hours ago, Clown Job said: Of course if you should ask him if Scotland should become independent….. Zero mandate? Really? Has he ever gone outside and met a member of the public? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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